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Post by 豪情 » 2020-08-27 14:01

女作家也是被这么限定的
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Post by Jun » 2020-08-27 14:55

豪情 wrote:
2020-08-27 14:01
女作家也是被这么限定的
Chick lit! :monkey001:

虽然有墙,Black Lives Matter 抗议啥啥的还是渗透过去了,最近在微博上看见有人说,这不跟女性的遭遇一样吗?把黑人替换成女青年完全吻合:走在大街上随时担心被强暴骚扰,找警察不仅不管还羞辱吓唬你,如果被强奸了还都是你自己裙子太短活该自找的,在网上抱怨几句就招人骂“挑拨性别对立”。 :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-08-27 21:58

这不就是Jun 原来说的小说里大多是好女孩的故事吗。
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Post by putaopi » 2020-08-27 22:24

我订的这本书今天收到了,边看边来感想。

正好读到纽约时报上的这篇文章,作者回忆爷爷一直推崇韩语之美,但是无意中说自己做梦里是讲日文的,从而揭开了韩国人长达三十五年日据时代的伤疤。也许能更深地体会一下韩国人的“han”. 以前听朋友讲韩国独立之后,几十年禁止放映日本电影,禁止日本歌手公开演唱会,就是对日据时代被迫放弃自己的语言,不得不学日语的痛楚的应激反应。


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Post by Jun » 2020-08-28 7:08

笑嘻嘻 wrote:
2020-08-27 21:58
这不就是Jun 原来说的小说里大多是好女孩的故事吗。
这是一个非常巨大的话题,我一时也说不太清楚。实际上很多文艺评论指出,自古以来女性在作品中只有两种形象:圣母与妓女。

男创作者这么想象女性也就算了,可怕的是女创作者也大部分遵循这个套路 ... 细思恐极,换言之,the way we form our social self-image is through the male gaze. We have "othered" ourselves from the inside. My image of the self is one bestowed by patriarchy. Think about the depth and magnitude of this damage and distortion.
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-08-28 9:23

很多亚裔也觉得自己next in line to be white 呢。
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Post by Jun » 2020-08-29 7:21

在推上看见两张女影星照片,忽然意识到,谈论女性可以有的性格仅限于母性和妓性,其实本身也是很肉糜的思路。对于活在世界上的女人的限制和压抑,各种证据明晃晃地在我们鼻子底下,全部人类视而不见只因为习以为常。缠小脚和戴 corsets 固然是野蛮落后的习俗,然而全世界有多少女人生活在“修改/禁锢自己身体”的状况下?有多少女人不必?不修改/禁锢自己身体,还没有饿死或者被他人口沫淹死,的女人,行走在大地上,百分之多少?所有人,包括我自己,都从来想也没想过,全部存在于潜意识之中。

也许你会说,男人也修改自己身体啊,他们每天都要刮胡子。有些男人也节食减肥啊。

女权主义真是一个可怕的思想(量词显然用错了,烦请笑嘻嘻帮忙改正),越深想就越反社会,后劲儿大大超过马克思的资本论呢,感觉就快要被抓起来了,父权社会最怕女人想多了果然是有道理的统治方针呀。 :wallace_eek: :preston_robot_collar: :wendoline:
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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2020-09-03 9:22

豪情 wrote:
2020-08-27 14:01
女作家也是被这么限定的
嗯,要不历史上的女作家也不会起男性笔名了 :mrgreen:

所以我几年前就把自己GR上的women's fiction虚拟书架给删了。
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Post by putaopi » 2020-09-09 0:55

在各种抵制声音中我还是去支持了迪斯尼新片木兰。可惜不能在大屏幕上看,色彩非常丰富,故事人物虽然普通,但样子看着还挺对劲儿的。

Minor feelings里说美国出版社一般有一个亚裔作家的名额,或者是几个亚裔作家但是同样类型的故事。其实我观察还有个Asian of the Year的名额, 最近是韩裔和越南裔作家和明星比较受推崇。我看美国人民仇华的情绪是成功地被调动起来了,Crazy Rich Asian 带动的一批华人电影制作像Farewell, Aways be my maybe (假装没有华裔),half of it, tiger trail这类片子估计是告一段落了,下次拍全华裔演员阵容的大片不知道是什么时候呢。

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-09-09 1:13

上映头一晚,我们带团圆看了花木兰。不知是被PUA惯了,还是啥,我看到居然真的全亚裔面孔,简直感激涕零。柔兰首领是《长安十二时辰》里的狼卫。

是啊,我也觉得今后恐怕又没得亚裔题材看了。而且有可能变成好莱坞历来的冷战题材里的俄国角色。
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Post by putaopi » 2020-09-09 1:26

哈哈哈,我只想到华人在大屏幕上做不了英雄了,还没想到咱们的脸就是Villain of the choice呢!笑嘻嘻你想得周到 :worthy: 小葡萄的历史老师前阵子就说,中国人的心情,就只有伊朗人能感同身受了。他自己就是伊朗裔。俄罗斯人毕竟是白人,又不一样。

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-09-09 1:28

没错!!!湾区有大量伊朗移民。伊朗人就对中国人特别同情/同仇敌忾。
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Post by Jun » 2020-09-09 7:00

putaopi wrote:
2020-09-09 0:55
在各种抵制声音中我还是去支持了迪斯尼新片木兰。可惜不能在大屏幕上看,色彩非常丰富,故事人物虽然普通,但样子看着还挺对劲儿的。
到底为啥要抵制啊?是因为刘亦菲支持香港警察吗?这不废话么,她还想不想在中国市场上混了。

我没看纯是因为cheap。这年月租个片儿也太贵了,我租了也只有自己看,连家属都不会加入,太不划算了。

川皇天天在推上喊 China Virus,然而并不影响华川的爱,这是怎样深沉坚贞的感情啊。
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Post by Knowing » 2020-09-09 7:03

木兰这事,好不容易有个全华人阵容片还是正面女英雄的大片,我很想支持的。但是片头感谢新疆警察/刘亦菲挺香港警察又踩到我的价值观了。纠结。
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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2020-09-09 7:07

除了刘亦菲,还有电影本身,我看到的评论是本来可以拍成女权题材,结果是忠孝和皇权。刘亦菲可以接受,忠孝皇权就算了,要看也等12月再说吧。
但是片头感谢新疆警察/刘亦菲挺香港警察又踩到我的价值观了
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Post by Jun » 2020-09-09 7:13

忠孝的主题被强加于木兰辞的意义,人一北方异族彪悍女娃,想想都好笑。但迪士尼不太懂,以为这就是中国人民的核心价值观(也没错),可劲儿地夸你们又忠又孝,夸你还不行吗?唉,移民知识分子黄左就是难伺候呀 ...
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Post by Knowing » 2020-09-09 7:21

啥异族,那时候五胡乱华南北朝后来不都融入汉族了咩。
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Post by Jun » 2020-09-09 7:49

搞勿好木兰当年征战的敌人就是我们这些南蛮子...的祖先呢。我在微博上看见有公知传授并批判此片体现的 cultural appropriation 的概念,皮肤上感到一阵苏苏的 tickling sensation ...

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Post by Knowing » 2020-09-09 7:54

没,她打得是更北边的北人,往黄河走,到了黑山,然后敌人在燕山,黑山燕山都是蒙古那一带
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Post by Jun » 2020-09-09 7:55

Knowing wrote:
2020-09-09 7:54
没,她打得是更北边的北人,往黄河走,到了黑山,然后敌人在燕山,黑山燕山都是蒙古那一带
Well I guess that is OK then ... :laughting015:
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Post by Knowing » 2020-09-09 8:01

ok 啥,等把更北边的敌人打完就南渡长江收拾大肥肉了。最后隋朝是北边打到南边统一天下的,被灭的陈后主写的流行歌曲玉树后庭花被视为亡国靡靡之音,所以有抱怨南京歌女‘商女不知亡国恨隔江犹唱后庭花’之说。
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Post by tiffany » 2020-09-09 8:35

Jun wrote:
2020-09-09 7:49
搞勿好木兰当年征战的敌人就是我们这些南蛮子...的祖先呢。
这个不会,木兰从军是第一天朝辞爷娘,暮宿黄河;然后就暮宿黑山头,但闻燕山胡骑鸣啾啾。 我地理很差,不过这个大方向是往北边儿走的,所以木兰家应该是在黄河南边。
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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2020-09-09 8:53

我的地理也很差,也许木兰家在黄河“几”弯,东、西、北三个方向都是黄河。“北朝”故名思义应该是北方(长江?淮河?以北),中国这块土地上各民族混来混去已经混了三千年了,我可不知道我的祖先是南蛮子还是北蛮子。维基百科说南北朝的北周还包括川、贵一带,所以cultural appropriation一下,木兰代表我没问题! :mrgreen:

Disney没文化,但有观众。前几天前在脸书上闲逛,看见华二代(三代?)夸Mulan,满满的“my culture”自豪感,不知道该表什么情。
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Post by Knowing » 2020-09-09 9:06

查个DNA就知道了。 :mrgreen:
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Post by Jun » 2020-09-09 9:30

这个又牵涉到我们之前讨论过的问题,包括四月引用过的历史学家罗新的解释:八百年前的中国人,跟现在的中国人,不是同一拨人。

我去做过DNA检验,因为我是女的只能测 mitochondrial markers,表明母系祖先的迁徙路线就是沿着太平洋岸一路向北来的,估计跟大洋洲和东南亚地区人民同宗。我得偷一下我哥的样本才能去测男性祖先的迁移路线。
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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2020-09-09 9:55

不是说通过DNA判断的祖先的来历,测的人越多才越准确吗?但我真的不想贡献自己数据。

另:脸书上的subtle asian traits组很好玩,是对亚二代三代作人类学研究的好地方 :mrgreen: 我的一个作家朋友在里面卧底,把我也拉了进去。
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Post by 豪情 » 2020-09-09 10:18

Jun wrote:
2020-09-09 9:30
这个又牵涉到我们之前讨论过的问题,包括四月引用过的历史学家罗新的解释:八百年前的中国人,跟现在的中国人,不是同一拨人。

我去做过DNA检验,因为我是女的只能测 mitochondrial markers,表明母系祖先的迁徙路线就是沿着太平洋岸一路向北来的,估计跟大洋洲和东南亚地区人民同宗。我得偷一下我哥的样本才能去测男性祖先的迁移路线。
衣冠南渡是父系基因南渡。我记得复旦做过汉人基因图谱。北方南方父系比较一致,母系截然不同。
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Post by putaopi » 2020-09-09 10:41

大家对迪斯尼真人片怎么这么高的期待?还文化呢!我看完木兰,顺手把据说风评最好的真人版阿拉丁看了,完全是大杂烩,倒是真热闹。可能是因为阿拉丁唱歌跳舞,里面还有Genie, 明摆着是假的,观众不好意思要求“文化”?

这电影我就是看个脸,刘亦菲和巩俐都非常帅气,给亚裔小女孩们看看,足够好了。以前我在谷里说过,小葡萄kindergarten 时全体女同学疯迷迪斯尼公主,她回家说想成为blonde, 让我又惊又痛。

木兰暧昧的对象形象也不错,穿衣显瘦,脱衣有肉那种,还挺惊艳的。

因为支持这个电影我快被我左派的朋友们开除“左籍”了,日子过不下去了。

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Post by Jun » 2020-09-09 10:50

笑昏了。我就说黄左事儿特多 hard to please 呢。 :laughting015: :laughting015:

我不看纯粹是因为太贵了,三十刀啊!肉痛。
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Post by putaopi » 2020-09-09 11:05

右派川粉朋友们我主动少来往了,再被左派嫌弃,真是难啊。紧紧抱住笑嘻嘻的大腿!
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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2020-09-09 11:07

我准备12月不用花30刀的时候再看。
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Post by putaopi » 2020-09-09 11:21

唐唐的郁金香 wrote:
2020-09-09 9:55


另:脸书上的subtle asian traits组很好玩,是对亚二代三代作人类学研究的好地方 :mrgreen: 我的一个作家朋友在里面卧底,把我也拉了进去。
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Post by Knowing » 2020-09-09 11:42

putaopi wrote:
2020-09-09 10:41
这电影我就是看个脸,刘亦菲和巩俐都非常帅气,给亚裔小女孩们看看,足够好了。以前我在谷里说过,小葡萄kindergarten 时全体女同学疯迷迪斯尼公主,她回家说想成为blonde, 让我又惊又痛。
我看了trailer 也是这个想法,两个女主都很帅,就够给小姑娘看看的了。
Nevertheless, she persisted.

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Re: 【推荐图书】Minor Feelings

Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2020-09-09 14:43

putaopi wrote:
2020-09-09 11:21

都有什么好玩的,唐唐有空给我们讲讲
咱们这些第一代移民中的虎妈虎爸们逼孩子学中文学乐器当医生当律师,孩子们长大了吐槽就上Subtle Asian Traits这样的地方,也吐槽日常生活中与种族有关的paper cut。更多的是发一些他们觉得好玩的meme。

贴几个小故事:
Apparently this entire time, all I had to do to make mother proud was buy a Honda Civic 🤦🏻‍♀️

Edit: idk anything about mods or what a VTEC is pls let me be I’m just driving stock okay 🥺

also I guess I’ve joined a gang bc all y’all keep saying Honda gang gang
*Prank Food*

🥓🥓When sometimes you wanna eat meatless food, especially in July the ghost month of Lunar Calendar, but you are so much the meat eater. No problem, I made this Roasted Pork Belly Shaped Jelly Cake, and can prank my family also. 😂😂

How does it look guys?😁😁😁

Pork made from: tapioca starch, rice flour, taro, coconut milk, salt, sugar, water, food colour..

Chilli soy sauce made from: chocolate sauce and strawberries.

(Full recipe from HNC Kitchen)
TL;DR
My parents recognized today for the first time that going to trade school didn’t ruin my life and was actually a great decision. Cried a little bit in my truck after they said that. I don’t have anyone to tell about this and I feel y’all would be able to relate

When I was 17 and about to graduate high school, my parents became particularly adamant that getting a master’s degree in whatever is the only way I could survive in the real world. Specifically, they wanted me to be a surgeon or some kind of doctor. I am NOT academically inclined and I would sooner deepthroat a cactus than attempt med school. I planned on just working after high school, but in an attempt to compromise I decided to apply to a trade school. Initially, they were satisfied, but after a month they started telling me that I was ruining my life and that this kind of work can’t sustain me. I moved out shortly after this.

They continued to call me to berate my decision to be a blue collared worker (in an attempt to persuade me to apply for a real college), and I got used to the fact that I couldn’t ever please them. For the next 4 years, I framed houses, did concrete work, finished them, inspected them, and most of everything in between.

6 months ago, I bought a house with my fiancé and renovated the fuck out of it. They were impressed but didn’t say much else about it. Around the same time, my mother bought a piece of property to open up a beauty salon. I did all of the finish work there and she genuinely appreciated it (bc I saved her 40 grand), but didn’t say much else about it. I’m not salty about their silence at all because it’s what I expected. However, just last night, they asked me to come over and fix a set of stairs my dad built a few years ago. He is NOT a carpenter. It was a mess. It took me four hours today to tear it down and do it the right way. When I finished cleaning and they saw it, my mother stared at me and said:

“I think it was a good thing you went to Ranken, con. You are so talented now. We’re very proud of you.”

It’s euphoric to feel acknowledged, even though I accepted that I would never hear it from them. Cried like a bitch when I left. I want to share this moment but I don’t know anyone personally that could relate. I’ve attached a few pictures of the work in case you’re curious
最后贴一个中/印同志的婚庆贴:
Who knew that after a serendipitous meeting in Kyoto, we would be married 5 years later.

Here we are, an intergaycial, American, minority couple - both children of immigrants - married in front of the Statue of Liberty. This is what America is going to look like more and more in the future. And hopefully by then, queer people don’t have to be “fortunate” that their families and communities are supportive. That should be the bare minimum.

To mark our union, we decided to fuse our last names to reflect both our Chinese and Indian heritage.

Tam + Bramhandkar = Bramhandtam

This way, our kids will know their heritage.
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Addtional info:

Hi everyone! Thanks so much for the outpour of well wishes and support! It really puts a smile on our face.

I just wanted to add some more info cause I saw that there were a few questions.

1) The reason we chose "Bramhandtam" instead of any other combination (we went through a few) was that we wanted to keep the meaning of "Bramhand", which in Sanskrit means universe in a spiritual sense. Chinese last names don't really have as much meaning other than clan affiliations. But we were thinking of giving our kids Chinese middle names when we have them.

2) So here's a bit more to our origin...
太长了我就不贴了。还有照片,很甜美就是了。
Ultimately, happiness comes down to choosing between the discomfort of becoming aware of your mental afflictions and the discomfort of being ruled by them. -- Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche

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Post by putaopi » 2020-09-09 15:21

虎妈的锅咱不背!小木匠和gay couple 的故事看得我眼泪哗哗的,想要这个contractor的电话号码,觉得他爸妈能approved 这装修水平一定很高 :mrgreen:

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Post by Jun » 2020-09-09 16:30

上 trade school 的那个娃让我想起去年在新鲜空气上听到的两个心理/精神科医生讲青少年教育之类的话题,他们说自己的孩子里各有一位(他俩不是夫妻)不爱上学,拒绝上大学,后来一个当厨师另一个忘了做啥。医生说作为高等教育出来的人,自己开头也有点不舒服,虽然天天帮其它家长解开心结!但是后来看孩子还是挺有出息的也就释然了。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-09-09 17:16

隔空紧紧保住葡萄皮取暖。

只要黑山头还在内蒙古,不管黄河怎么弯也不会往南走的。 :mrgreen:
很多人抱怨真人版木兰是,抱怨真人版里对动画版的改动。可是动画版离木兰辞不更远。

昨夜见军帖,可汗大点兵。
军书十二卷,卷卷有爷名。
阿爷无大儿,木兰无长兄。
愿为市鞍马,从此替爷征。

虽然说木兰辞有人推测是后代书生把原始的歌谣更正统化,但那个时代的木兰是忠孝框架下的女性故事肯定没错啊。迪斯尼电影非常努力地把孝翻译成devotion to family 来符合现代人审美. 另外迪斯尼是真GP13 的赤金标准哪,一个战争电影,没有一、滴、血。这个电影的遗憾是没法在IMAX上看。
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Post by dropby » 2020-09-09 17:32

木兰我在网上看的streaming的盗版,但是分辩率还挺高的,在地下室的大屏幕上看的,当然还是比不上电影院。两娃先是拒绝看,然后看到中间,比如木兰化妆觉得很尬,跑走一段,又看到一段啥又跑走。我觉得我家娃都是温室里的花朵,看电影电视动不动自己就跑走一会儿表示看着不舒服。最后他们总共加起来看了有没有一小时? 主要这两娃本来也不喜欢动画片木兰。他们喜欢的是龙猫这样的。

我自己觉得很一般,正版的话感觉不值那个钱?凤凰简直太不真实了,就是个风筝的既实感,还花花绿绿的难看得要死。电影本身把动画片里可爱的部分都给去掉了。然后把木兰变成了超级英雄一类的存在。plot还不如动画呢,傻得要命。忠孝啥的我倒无所谓,历史局限嘛。因为人物塑造比动画还要更加单薄,巩皇完全没有发挥演技的余地。然后看刘亦菲既没演技也没啥颜值。

就是个普通好莱坞大片儿。不看也完全没有任何损失。我如果不是喜欢动画片木兰本来也不见得要看。看到他们把好看的动画片拍成不好看的真人版就觉得真是糟塌了好东西那种惋惜的感觉。

哦,忘了说想看的另一个原因也是前面小笑说的,好莱坞这种全华人大片对中国文化正面宣传的电影大概这就是绝唱了。今后很多年都不太可能再有了。所以还是有点历史意义。

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-09-09 17:34

我对好莱坞电影里的俄罗斯邪恶反派毁灭世界的惯性挺不舒服的。因为我是看前苏联电影长大的。青少年时看到的对世界观有塑形的文学作品很大部分是俄罗斯文学,前苏联文学。那么多丰富复杂的小人物。比如对婚内精神或者肉体出轨的女性,原来是可以持默默同情态度的。《办公室故事》里女二,碰到新来的前火花,开始花枝招展打扮自己,前火花是个人人爱的办公室时髦人物对老情人的纠缠不胜其烦。男主角看到老朋友女二当众丢脸,冲上去先一五一十还钱给时髦男,然后反手一个耳光。《日瓦戈医生》《静静的顿河》都改变了我的世界观。二战如果德国不去打苏联,后面形式如何很难讲。斯大林格勒保卫战是二战最重要的转折点,苏联抗下了最困难的战争。德国打败的残兵退到诺曼底,但是在好莱坞电影里,诺曼底登陆被反反复复地史诗形式地拍摄。

所以每次我看到好莱坞电影里的前苏联冷战邪恶反派要毁灭世界,我不禁想:不知道俄罗斯人看这些电影怎么想。
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Post by Jun » 2020-09-09 17:41

那你可以看 Flash Gordon 这种老一点的好莱坞娱乐片,里面的邪恶大反派是中国老头Ming the Merciless。 :mrgreen:

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就算从来没听说过儒教的异族人也有家庭和跟父母亲爱的关系。如果从小就练过骑射,替代老爸去打仗也是正常人的正常感情。儒教里的孝道是二十四孝洗脑故事的那一套,还是别扯到那上面去了。

至于忠就更是 ... ?? 里面“可汗”、“可汗”的就在眼前,很明显不是儒教宣扬的那种忠的概念。实际上这些人根本就不认识儒教,两边打了照面也不认识。这姑娘显然能打,看着也不象是为了忠君献身的纯理念去的。可汗还要封官儿呢,忠君不是应该在朝廷留下来做政治贡献吗?
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-09-09 18:06

傅满洲嘛。没多久的事儿。说不定马上就要重温了。

我觉得迪斯尼没有说是儒家的忠君与孝。就含混地东方文化里的忠诚和对家庭的奉献。虽然这些在后面一点的东方就是儒家传统。
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Post by Jun » 2020-09-09 19:40

迪士尼根本不懂文化,都是瞎抄别人的。这就是 cultural appropriation 嘛,我倒没有愤怒,但是有点尬 ...
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-09-09 19:50

是尬,很现代的女权部分植入更尬。但还好,就看个遥远的传说,都跟我没啥关系那种,不致于看到难受。
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Post by tiffany » 2020-09-09 20:04

这里的黎明静悄悄,莫斯科不相信眼泪,还有一个合法婚姻,骗我好多眼泪(几滴)
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Re: 【推荐图书】Minor Feelings

Post by tiffany » 2020-09-09 20:48

笑嘻嘻 wrote:
2020-09-09 18:06
傅满洲嘛。没多久的事儿。说不定马上就要重温了。
也不一定。他要去中国赚票房,就不会搞个中国人当人民公敌。

回到 minor feelings,我觉得这本书出现在我的生命中非常及时。看书的时候老有种“凭什么呀”的感慨,然后不小心这股气儿就被带到了工作之中。然后同事小老白男时常提要求,我本来觉得都是同事随手帮一下儿也没啥不可以,沾了这股子气儿我忽然觉得凭啥工都是我做,出头露面做 presentation 就是改小老白男?然后我就开是不配合了,然后生活就美好了许多... :mrgreen:
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Post by dropby » 2020-09-09 20:49

我对好莱坞对其他文化的误解误读或者故意扭曲完全无所谓。我就要故事本身逻辑自洽就可以。木兰并没有做到。

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-09-09 21:25

小美你怎么浓眉大眼的也叛变了!我们不是都重视感官享受的电影吗?暑假带团圆看的第一套片子就是 jamanji 三部曲,我还兴致头头地查什么时候上第四部。
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Post by putaopi » 2020-09-10 0:01

主要她看的是盗版,感官享受不够强烈,居然有精神头儿关注故事是不是逻辑自洽啦 :mrgreen:

油管上有个人专门分析流媒体HDR( High Dynamic Range)画质的,他把这部片子跟Blade Runner 2049对比,类似的林中景色画面, 木兰亮度1000nits, 后者只有200 nits.

木兰化妆的那一段色彩异常丰富细腻,妆台上各种小物件柔和地发光,我看呆了。

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-09-10 0:15

化妆的小物件我一个也不认识。 :mrgreen: 所有画面都非常舒适。我主要色眯眯地看天仙的脸了,从头到尾她的眉毛都没修过,毛茸茸的,眉形不对称。可见从前看的国内的平面照里她都是修眉了的。真美人啊,果然真美人的脸是中性的。木兰是为IMAX拍的,没在IMAX上看太可惜了。Blade Runner 2049 也是为IMAX拍的呀,而且每一帧都能当屏保。才这么几年就差这么多,不可想象。我挺遗憾没看大屏幕的。
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Re: 【推荐图书】Minor Feelings

Post by dropby » 2020-09-10 0:47

笑嘻嘻 wrote:
2020-09-09 21:25
小美你怎么浓眉大眼的也叛变了!我们不是都重视感官享受的电影吗?暑假带团圆看的第一套片子就是 jamanji 三部曲,我还兴致头头地查什么时候上第四部。
感官享受没觉得有突破呀。Avatar那样划时代的突破我看第二遍的时候也开始嫌故事编的不好了。

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