聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by Jun » 2020-07-29 6:02

对于“渣男”这个词不支持的人上来插一句:贝多芬不是著名的音乐界大渣男么? :laughting015:
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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by CAVA » 2020-07-29 6:34

要看渣男的定义是啥。根据目前听过看过的节目,他一生追求社会阶层高于自己的女性,从来没成功过。曾经被他追求过的一名女性还认为他既丑陋又有点疯狂。有人说他对朋友只有利用,但有人说他朋友还挺多,听力丧失后,来访者写下的对话有满满几大册。大家比较一致的是他对弟媳的鄙夷和攻击很过分,要从她手里夺取侄儿的监护权,继承贝多芬家的音乐事业。Ludwig的父亲对他严厉管控,Ludwig又转而对侄子采用同一套手段。Being Beethoven里的心理分析学家认为这太典型了。她也认为贝多芬自我评估过高,这种自信支持他度过心理难关写出辉煌作品,但会给一个社会人会带来重重困境。

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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by Jun » 2020-07-29 7:15

啊可能是我记错了,好像是说他喜欢勾引女学生啥的。去搜了一下,想起曾经拍过一部电影,Isabella Rossilini 和 Gary Oldman 主演的,关于贝多芬的恋爱关系,我没看过但据说拍得不错。

贝多芬的爸据说挺 abusive,不过莫扎特的爸也挺 abusive,所以 ... 郎朗的爸也很 abusive 是有道理的? :confused007:
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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by Jun » 2020-08-04 6:41

Google 推了一篇文章给我(大概因为我搜索过一些菜谱),看了就笑了:

2020 Is A Lot, But Japanese Food Dramas Are Helping Me Deal

推荐的就是深夜食堂和孤独的美食家。
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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by CAVA » 2020-08-04 9:39

五郎叔叔是吃播的鼻祖耶。要演好其实不容易,文章里也提到的《和歌子酒》,女主角努力演得好尴尬。

今天我的小开心是英国邮局即将发行的Sherlock电视剧十年纪念邮票。居然十年了!也有经典原作的邮票,但Adventure of the Second Stain是啥内容想不起来了。

https://shop.royalmail.com/special-stam ... s/sherlock

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First Class The Red-Headed League
£1.68 The Adventure of the Second Stain
£1.68 The Adventure of the Dancing Man

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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by Jun » 2020-08-04 10:18

Second Stain 是讲俄国无政府主义革命的逃亡者 ... 不对,那个是金丝夹鼻眼镜的故事。天啊我也不记得了,早发性老年痴呆!只记得是因为女主角假装昏倒把地毯挪了位置,但是案件本身都没有印象了。

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adven ... cond_Stain
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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by CAVA » 2020-08-05 5:40

跟其它三篇相比,Second Stain太不出名了。

刚跟米兰同事开了个短会,他说意大利北部现在感染率很低,同时又在积极准备应对冬季可能的第二波。他们家从五月开始已经去了好几次餐馆,坐在室外。8月是意大利人度假高峰,他们会去Ancona,海滩不错,食物物美价廉。我一边拿小本本记下,一边哀怨不知何时才能再去意大利。

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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by Jun » 2020-08-05 6:52

现在我满脑子都是 Basilicata 地区的影子。Tatarani 那个剧还特意拉出 Matera 外景,经常跑到附近小镇啥的拍场戏,让人口水直流。有一段戏,女检察官在镇上咖啡馆跟老头们旁敲侧击地聊天,问一个打牌的百岁老头话,旁边店主说,他口音很重的,你不一定听得懂。Taratani 冷笑回答:I'm from Matera, not Milan. 把我笑死。 :bowling:
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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by putaopi » 2020-08-13 0:53

谢谢Cava分享sherlock的邮票,只从设计的角度来讲,我更喜欢第二套。

对了我最近在HBO 发现了The No.1 Ladies Detective Agency, 可惜只有2008年拍的一季。从演员到音乐服装取景,都太好看了。谷里的同学们有讨论过吗?

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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2020-08-13 7:43

啊,不知道The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency已经拍成戏了,谢谢推荐。我看过这个系列的前几本书,很喜欢。老好Alexander McCall Smith的成名作。
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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by CAVA » 2020-08-13 8:04

看过这套剧,也很喜欢。记得是Anthony Minghella最后两部作品之一,所以印象很深。刚去查了维基,导演还有Charles Sturridge,那可是Brideshead Revisited的导演啊 ♥

原作看了七八本后感觉越来越淡,后来就没继续了。不得不说AMS的系列小说往往有这个问题,不过不妨碍我一直喜欢他 :mrgreen:

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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by putaopi » 2020-08-14 1:40

这个剧的制作人里还有拍过out of Africa 的Sydney Pollack, 真是大牌云集啊。Pollack 跟明格拉都在同一年去世了,也许这就是没有第二季的原因?

回唐唐,绝对是个Hidden Gem, 快去看吧。

我推荐给朋友,她看了说这是个非洲波洛嘛,暴力不多全是道德危机。很中产阶级。我说非洲中产阶级的故事新鲜好看啊,反正比白人拯救非洲穷人的故事强。

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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by Jun » 2020-08-15 6:30

好多年前的小说和剧啦!勾起很多回忆。
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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by dancelord » 2020-08-15 11:58

CAVA wrote:
2020-08-05 5:40
跟其它三篇相比,Second Stain太不出名了。

刚跟米兰同事开了个短会,他说意大利北部现在感染率很低,同时又在积极准备应对冬季可能的第二波。他们家从五月开始已经去了好几次餐馆,坐在室外。8月是意大利人度假高峰,他们会去Ancona,海滩不错,食物物美价廉。我一边拿小本本记下,一边哀怨不知何时才能再去意大利。
Ancona,度假季你去的时候遇到的德国人可能都比意大利人都多...

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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by CAVA » 2020-08-22 7:31

这两天在看一个意大利团队的纪录片《Food Markets: In the Belly of the City》,采访菜贩、农场主、渔夫和厨师,各地风物很有特色,在各种市场节目中算比较好看的,推荐一下。油管上有第三季,第五集Palermo种茄子的神父,野生茴香采集者都有趣,最好玩的是干果店老板自己炒南瓜子,从前是大妈们唠家常时的必备,太亲切了!前两季在B站上有,但不知为啥iPad上放不出来,前两年看的时候对Toulouse印象比较深。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibBOQaldg6E

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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by Jun » 2020-08-23 9:11

CAVA 同学总能找到好东西。里斯本的菜市场让我想起费城的中心菜市场,当年我也是经常去逛的,还有南费城的意大利市场。哎,现在看看视频中熙熙攘攘的买菜人流和餐馆里坐在一起的邻里亲友,灵魂中的强烈饥饿感突然爆发,什么时候才能围在一起下馆子啊。 :speechless002:
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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by CAVA » 2020-08-23 11:32

我们去里斯本的时候这个室内市场只有鱼肉果菜,另一边的食档是前几年才开发的,很有convivial的气氛。

Jun这一提才发现上面的链接是里斯本。下面才是巴勒莫,露天集市,摊贩大声叫卖,热闹非凡。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3RfrSN0r50

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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by CAVA » 2020-08-27 8:12

B站前两季的视频可以放了,是英文的。画质一般,但一看到第一集巴塞罗那我就打算每天下饭复习一集:

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mb411F7J5

2-9集分别是布达佩斯,里昂,都灵,维也纳,佛罗伦萨,弗莱堡,里加,图卢兹,萨格勒布。

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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by Jun » 2020-08-29 12:45

CAVA wrote:
2020-08-23 11:32
我们去里斯本的时候这个室内市场只有鱼肉果菜,另一边的食档是前几年才开发的,很有convivial的气氛。

Jun这一提才发现上面的链接是里斯本。下面才是巴勒莫,露天集市,摊贩大声叫卖,热闹非凡。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3RfrSN0r50
看了巴勒莫那集,简直有种时光倒流的感觉。街上的摊贩大声吆喝,拉着新鲜茄子的车走街串巷,种桔子的人拒绝培养无核桔,还有卖南瓜子!没电视的年月大家一边听广播一边嗑瓜子,消磨时光。真让人一时搞勿清这是意大利还是中国 ... :worthy:
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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by Jun » 2020-09-17 8:00

最近做一个大项目,天天坐在电脑前累得半死,需要工作时的伴奏音乐。在油管上搜了一圈 elevator music 之后,听了一些不太传统的背景音乐。

推荐一下 Anoushka Shanker,她是sitar大师 Ravi Shankar 的女儿兼徒弟。Ravi Shankar 大概是第一个跟西方音乐合作的 sitar 演奏家,六十年代爆红,把披头士都迷得晕头转向。Anoushka 的东西方结合探索更进一步,跟各种类型的西方音乐有直接对话型演奏。对于耳朵尚未熟悉印度古典音乐的我来说,Anoushka 的风格很能消化。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To9PVjb ... kJFhzYbXIV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmChU4g ... 0f26FJg_Gz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a1zU0yxk6c

她也有跟妹子 Norah Jones 合作录音哦:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEJSWIftX98

现在她把头发剪短了感觉很帅:

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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by CAVA » 2020-09-17 9:06

跑去听了两耳朵,不行耶,发现释它的调调我接受无能,类似听不来的还有日本传统的笛子和三弦。上个月油管给我推荐了米津玄师,还蛮喜欢听的,尤其Lemon这首。现在油管发歌动辄播放数百M的吗?

工作时要集中精力还是古典乐对我比较有效,最近听贝多芬晚期钢琴奏鸣曲比较多。在完全听不见的状态下意图革新又动听的作品,不愧是贝多芬。Sonata 32中间有一段简直是爵士的节奏。

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Re: 聊天:如何发扬意大利精神

Post by Jun » 2020-09-17 13:10

CAVA wrote:
2020-09-17 9:06
工作时要集中精力还是古典乐对我比较有效,最近听贝多芬晚期钢琴奏鸣曲比较多。在完全听不见的状态下意图革新又动听的作品,不愧是贝多芬。Sonata 32中间有一段简直是爵士的节奏。
古典音乐作为工作背景,我只能忍受巴洛克风格的,其它的都不能一边工作一边听,无法 ignore 的感觉,觉得太吵,distracting。不过 Philip Glass 的极简主义音乐倒是可以。

其实我也有听了一点日本三弦,觉得还可以接受。
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