The Web of Pulp Cinema (and modern imitators)

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The Web of Pulp Cinema (and modern imitators)

Post by Jun » 2019-11-15 8:59

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画了一张图。

Jean-Pierre Melville 那里本来想写 French New Wave 的,但是对此类影片了解不多,不好意思整个都拉进来。

虽然想尽量不把电影之外的东西带进来(例如硬汉派侦探小说和武侠小说),但是不得不包括存在主义哲学。

当然越到后面,lineage 就越模糊。Tarantino 只是一个代表,实际上极多现代好莱坞影人都深受上面类型片影响,也包括星球大战系列。
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2019-11-15 18:56

Jun的字写得不错嘛。
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema

Post by Jun » 2019-11-16 9:07

笑嘻嘻过奖了。

昨天在网上看到访谈 Pedro Pascal 的视频,他说他主演的新剧 The Mandalorian 是西部片和 Samurai 片子的混合。其实大家都看得出是西部片啦,但他非要强调也有 Samurai 片的成分!
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema

Post by mirrorflower » 2019-11-17 12:33

笑嘻嘻 wrote:
2019-11-15 18:56
Jun的字写得不错嘛。
哈哈,我第一反应也是:Jun的字蛮乖嘛?(就是清秀女生那种感觉)
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema

Post by Jun » 2019-11-18 13:49

本来想在PPT上画个标准的示意图,嫌麻烦就手画了,然而马上就发现了问题:Spaghetti Western 和 Samurai Movies 之间应该是双向箭头而非单向。另外 Samurai 是英文标准拼法,我老记错成 Samourai,都怪 Melville 的电影题目 Le Samourai 就是错的。看样子还得重画一遍。
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2019-11-18 16:34

还要手写的。
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema

Post by Jun » 2019-11-18 19:29

好吧,我受宠若惊地说,上一张重画的网络图。

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前两天胡乱翻油管上真田广之的视频,惊骇地发现真田大叔横跨日本、香港、美国三地的武打片,真是各流派动作片的纽带式人物,最近还在 HBO 剧集 Westworld 里面担任重要角色,现身说法各国电影之间的紧密关联。

(真田广之还演过 Merchant-Ivory 文艺片,在银幕上跟 Anthony Hopkins 深情接吻。)
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2019-11-18 19:38

咿,字都端庄了,不倾斜了。
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema

Post by Jun » 2019-11-18 19:39

写多了就更笨拙了。
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2019-11-18 19:43

感觉字写得很有self consciousness. :mrgreen:
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema

Post by Jun » 2019-11-18 19:45

你和镜花都盯着我的字儿看,能不 self conscious 嘛。再说我想让读者能看明白,不好乱涂。 :lol:

刚看了两集 The Mandalorian,里面男主角带了一个 Baby Yoda 在沙漠里晃来晃去,Baby Yoda 还是装在一个浮动的球里,我差点跳起来,这这这明明就是 Lone Wolf and Cub 带子狼么!!怪不得 Pedro Pascal 拼命说 Samurai movies。

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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema (and modern imitators)

Post by Jun » 2019-11-22 10:50

第三集 The Mandalorian 放出来了,我欣喜地看到迪士尼 going full Lone Wolf and Cub!

剧组特别 manipulative 地造出 Baby Yoda (official name "The Child"):

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对比一下原版带子狼中的 "the child" 拜大五郎小朋友:

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秀美纯真,超级可爱哦。

在六部系列片中,年仅三岁的大五郎君手刃了不少爸爸的敌人,让人目眩神迷。我一边看一边忍不住猜想拍摄时到底是怎样的情况呢?难道剧组就把孩子演员扔在一边目睹若山富三郎打打杀杀血浆狂飞吗?考虑到1970年代的日本电影行业大概也没啥儿童保障措施,真令人涅把汗。我还很八卦地去查了演员富川晶宏,发现他后来完全没有演过电影,唯一的消息是成年之后犯罪被抓进监狱。。。
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema (and modern imitators)

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2019-11-22 12:28

这是童年创伤吗...
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema (and modern imitators)

Post by Jun » 2019-11-25 16:40

最近在 binge 各色日本剑戮片武打片时,不可避免地遇到了一个叫做“忠臣藏”(亦称“赤穗浪士”)的故事,据说是 quintessential element in the collective unconscious. 跟印度的 Mahabharata 和 Ramayana 一样,被反复传唱,直到现在,歌舞伎、古装剧集(“时代剧”)、古装片里还不停翻拍,一年总能看到好几版新制作。这个貌似典型的复仇故事,呵呵,细想也是很有趣的。

我又来画示意图了。

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当然日本的武侠小说作者远不止柴田炼三郎,漫画作者远不止小池一夫,不过我只知道这几个人罢了。最近翻剑戮片时代剧什么的,简直一转身就碰见小池一夫,他也太多产了吧。
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema (and modern imitators)

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2019-11-25 22:59

小白小白,Jun现在写字比你好看了。

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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema (and modern imitators)

Post by tiffany » 2019-11-26 6:20

几个意思,难道不是她一直写字比我好看吗?
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema (and modern imitators)

Post by Jun » 2019-11-26 6:46

这字儿有啥好看的,我自己都不好意思敝帚自珍了。

你们重点错。老子还有一个示意图要画,不过得找找资料背景,深感知识不足。
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema (and modern imitators)

Post by Jun » 2019-11-26 9:23

One last diagram! :dog001:

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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema (and modern imitators)

Post by Jun » 2019-11-29 8:11

昨晚在把 Thanksgiving dinner 吃得脑满肠肥后回家躺着的 turkey haze 中,不知为啥就去搜了一下 Anurag Kashyap 最近在鼓捣个啥,然后就发现一只视频 Anurag Kashyap 介绍他的 DVD collection 和五个(最后还变成了六个)最喜欢的电影前辈推荐。

他一上来就介绍 Samuel Fuller,我暗暗乍舌,根本听都没听说过耶,太专业了;第二个是 Fritz Lang,哇,也是高大上啊,我只看过 Metropolis。然后第三个一说出来我就爆笑:Jean-Pierre Melville! :love015: 哈哈哈,谢谢 Anurag 替我画的联网示意图 back up 哦! :admir002: 然后呢,第四个是超早期黑泽明(我没看过但是知道他早期非常热衷 film noir 的题材和风格),第五个是 Kinji Fukasaku 的系列片 Battles without Honor and Humanity. 我没听说过就去搜了一下,哇!深作欣二没看过也听说过如雷贯耳的大名,而这一套片子就是经典的 Yakuza films 嘛!简直让我得意死了。 :monkey001:

(Note to self: 赶紧滚去看里见八犬传!)
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Re: The Web of Pulp Cinema (and modern imitators)

Post by Jun » 2019-12-13 9:40

哈哈哈哈,Pop Culture Happy Hour 在讨论 The Mandalorian 里面也提到了 Lone Wolf and Cub,YAY! :admir002:

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/10/78681704 ... he-episode
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