围观 Manafort 庭审

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Re: 围观 Manafort 庭审

Post by Jun » 2019-03-06 15:40

Manafort 刑期判决明天在 Virginia 宣布。至于DC那边的判决是下星期四,到时候才知道两边的刑期是 concurrent or consecutive。
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Re: 围观 Manafort 庭审

Post by Knowing » 2019-03-06 18:24

坐等!
Nevertheless, she persisted.

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Re: 围观 Manafort 庭审

Post by simonsun » 2019-03-07 12:55

周周,爸爸来看你了,爸爸老了,以后不来了。
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Re: 围观 Manafort 庭审

Post by Jun » 2019-03-07 18:31

四年。

有钱就是好啊。

Once more,

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Re: 围观 Manafort 庭审

Post by Knowing » 2019-03-08 3:05

真不爽。Ellis 老头子判那么轻。
Nevertheless, she persisted.

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Re: 围观 Manafort 庭审

Post by Jun » 2019-03-08 8:04

我回想起去年在法庭上 Ellis 给我留下的印象,非常白男还老头的那种,对于检方证据里的“钱”的相关方面特别敏感。例如检方拿出很多照片,表现 Manafort 的豪宅、首饰、(难看的)名牌服装,如何挥霍奢侈,他就很不高兴,第一个星期为这事吵了很久,把大部分证据都排除在法庭之外不让陪审团看见。在法庭上屡次打断检方的问话,“有钱又不违法,你老问他多有钱干啥?只能问你控告的罪名的相关事实。” 还不许检方用乌克兰 oligarchs 这个词,说人家不就是有钱的生意人嘛,跟我们美国的生意人有啥不同,为什么要用难听词儿给他们贴标签?你们想暗示他们是肮脏违法的,不许说。检方辩解说,他们那边的 oligarchs 跟我们这边的生意人不一样,直接买通政客操纵政府的。

总之他的态度就是,He's not on trial for being a rich businessman. He made loads of money in Ukraine. That's not against the law.

Except, uh, he was literally on trial for making loads of money by doing crimes for Ukrainian oligarchs ... 显然 Ellis 根本不觉得这样发财有什么问题,资本主义理想公民。所以昨天在判刑时会对 Manafort 说,你做了很多好事,对朋友对家人都很好,又很慷慨大方,led an otherwise blameless life. 嗯,这就是统治阶级的真实想法,有钱就是好同志嘛。
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Re: 围观 Manafort 庭审

Post by Knowing » 2019-03-08 8:15

I know. 'led an otherwise blameless life.' That really pisses me off!
Nevertheless, she persisted.

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Re: 围观 Manafort 庭审

Post by april » 2019-03-08 11:38

He looked like a small panther, and he moved like a patch of night.

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Re: 围观 Manafort 庭审

Post by Ginkgo » 2019-03-13 10:30

Jun wrote:
2019-03-06 15:40
Manafort 刑期判决明天在 Virginia 宣布。至于DC那边的判决是下星期四,到时候才知道两边的刑期是 concurrent or consecutive。
73 个月,头30个月和上个礼拜的刑期一起执行。 30+17+43,总共才7年半。
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/us/p ... ncing.html

What's the chance of this going to trial and even get him some real sentence?!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/nyre ... tment.html

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Re: 围观 Manafort 庭审

Post by Jun » 2019-03-13 11:55

纽约宣布控告 Manafort. 我还没来得及看控告他什么项目。

噗,推上放出一段法庭外律师 Downing 对记者说的话的视频,他说两个案子里的法官都说,absolutely no Russian collusion. 围观群众里有人喊回去:Liar! That's not what she said. 卖国贼!

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/ ... 5856760832

特搞笑的是律师背后站了一个戴着很酷的紫色帽子的老头举个牌子上写:This is a sign. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

OK 纽约曼哈顿地方检察官控告 Manafort 的罪名是 residential mortgage fraud attempted fraud, conspiracy, falsifying business records and scheming to defraud. 牵涉到几处纽约地产:Howard Street in Manhattan, Union Street in Brooklyn and a property in Bridgehampton. 因为这些经济罪的证据早已在联邦案件中公布了,甚至已经被联邦陪审团定为有罪了,恐怕不太容易翻案。果然之前很多人的推论得到证实,联邦检察官扔出来的证据虽然有限,已经足够被几个州的检察官拿去回收使用,以对抗总统特赦。至少纽约、Florida、加州、Chicago,都有足够的证据指控他。

DOJ 可以把 Mueller Report 里面通俄的部分都涂黑保密不给公众看,但是铁打的营盘流水的兵,SCO 发掘出来的罪证,仍然可以以其他方式在其他时间里转手给其他人转化成罪证和指控书。
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Re: 围观 Manafort 庭审

Post by Jun » 2019-03-13 16:07

我觉得 Mueller 调查组其实在杀鸡给猴看,Manafort 自然是鸡,谁是猴子么 ... 大家可以自行脑补。

Roger Stone 最好赶紧趴下来做低服小。我对他的前景不看好。
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Re: 围观 Manafort 庭审

Post by Knowing » 2019-03-14 3:44

manafort 犯罪多被起诉早, 调查组非常干净的把非通俄部分挑出来立案,除了杀鸡儆猴,还为避免以后再起起诉他通俄时辩护律师用double jeopardy 理由排除证据.
纽约州起诉是为了deter 川皇赦免.
roger stone 跟wikileak 和俄国的交流就避免不了通俄的问题了吧.我坐等.
Nevertheless, she persisted.

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Re: 围观 Manafort 庭审

Post by Jun » 2019-03-14 6:09

Manafort 犯罪时间长数量多花样繁复也让检察官有很多角度下手,暂时不拿出通俄证据,留着避免打草惊蛇。至于他们要抓的蛇是谁那就不能确定了,也许是川普,也许是。。。?

川普干过违法的事也已经公开了,只不过在这一段里面他违反的是 campaign finance law, Michael Cohen 已经向 SDNY 举报了,并在法庭上承认。通俄的部分被SCO 紧紧捂着显然是有目的的,咱不知道为啥,也许只是为了自保,也许是为了。。。?

Erik Prince 不久前在电视上被 Al Jazeera 的记者追问出曾经参与川普和莫斯科的密谈,证明他曾向国会撒谎。
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