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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-12-12 18:42

没有真家伙Dr. 就在大学做老师,很罕见吧。他周围都是Dr. 吧?
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Post by simonsun » 2020-12-13 1:42

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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2020-12-13 9:23

满口我我我,who cares! 这种文章也能登出来!
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Post by Jun » 2020-12-14 17:28

保守派青年骨干 Ben Shapiro 出来跟风蹭热度了,在推上讥笑 Jill Biden。
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Ben Shapiro throws a tantrum about calling Jill Biden "Doctor": "If you're not impressed by Harvard Law then you certainly should not be impressed by a degree from University of Delaware in education...When I was at Harvard Law, an actual prestigious law school"
可能我就是个 reverse snob 吧,对藤校持有偏见还是咋的,看见自称“我们哈佛毕业生”就反感。不过他们能不能少给我点儿鄙视的把柄呢?
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Post by Knowing » 2020-12-15 5:31

RBG 也是哈佛法学院的。你不能老歧视哈佛,林子大了什么鸟都有。

我今天跟我老板说,你以后自我介绍的时候都别忘了加Dr 头衔。她问为啥,我说数据说明男人更多使用他们的Dr 头衔, 这个风气要改!
必须在谷里喊一声,谷里的妇女们,能用Dr 的都别忘了用!我是没有哈。。。你们负起责任来!咱们这缺啥也不缺phd 吧!
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Post by Jun » 2020-12-17 12:56

保守派还没完没了了,在 National Review 杂志里发表文章:

Jill Biden’s Doctorate Is Garbage Because Her Dissertation Is Garbage
By KYLE SMITH
December 16, 2020 4:22 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/12/ ... s-garbage/
None of the professors I knew at Yale, even the ones who were eminent in their fields, insisted on the title, ...
Consider “Dr.” Jill Biden, who doesn’t even hold a Ph.D. but rather a lesser Ed.D., something of a joke in the academic world.
As for Biden, she has spent a lot of time teaching remedial English to slow learners in community colleges. Which is like being a rock musician who’s in a bar band. That plays covers. At mixers. Held in assisted-living facilities. Mrs. Biden’s dissertation emits so much noxious methane the EPA should regulate it, Greta Thunberg should denounce it, and Hollywood celebrities should hold a telethon to draw awareness to its dangers.
Yes, this is what they teach white boys at Yale.
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Post by Knowing » 2020-12-17 13:29

这个傻X,在社区大学教条件不好的学生当然比在常青藤教拥有一切优越条件的学生难度大,更值得尊重敬佩。难道以jill biden 的身份地位阅历,2008年想去哈弗耶鲁教书他们会不要?愿意继续教社区大学才显得伟大。
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Post by sibyla » 2020-12-17 13:40

这些人不是大学里面的吗,连个Dr的称呼都大惊小怪。他们自己是拥有很神圣的学位需要捍卫吗?作为女性真要时刻提醒自己不要谦让,让这些人还真以自我感觉良好了。

曾经有个同事唧唧歪歪,说你这个first name我发音很辛苦云云,我正色,call me Dr xxx then。 旁边一帮同事狂笑。
另外我时不时也想这样回那些linkinedin私信默认称呼我为‘xx先生’的猎头。

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Post by Jun » 2020-12-17 13:43

拜登自己就是草根出身,也没上过藤校,又不见被骂。

小布什自己是耶鲁毕业的,还成天吹嘘自己多么草根亲民。

所以都是幌子,就是看 uppity women 不顺眼,什么都可以成为骂人的材料。
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Post by Knowing » 2020-12-17 17:04

sibyla wrote:
2020-12-17 13:40

曾经有个同事唧唧歪歪,说你这个first name我发音很辛苦云云,我正色,call me Dr xxx then。 旁边一帮同事狂笑。
另外我时不时也想这样回那些linkinedin私信默认称呼我为‘xx先生’的猎头。
哈哈哈必须手动点赞叫个好!
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Post by 豪情 » 2020-12-17 17:25

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-12-17 17:51

我要加入 sibyla 同事的狂笑。
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Post by qinger » 2020-12-19 2:11

大学里管导师都是Dr.某某地叫。所以看到Friends里面Rachel嘲笑Ross, 人家是真的Dr.会心一笑。
我毕业后周围没有任何人称呼或者被称呼Dr. (除了MD)。
话说我毕业后唯一一次有机会填Dr头衔居然是申请Amazon账号时。。。
哎,突然想起来我去亚洲开会同事向客户介绍我时一律叫Dr...亚洲看重这个。
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Post by dancelord » 2020-12-19 14:40

德国人看重这个Dr, 我女友夫妻二人皆博,她说医保卡上都会写着Dr,看医生的时候诊所的人全称呼她Dr, 她先生在巴斯夫,整个部门全是博士,每次出差都有专门的司机衣装笔挺得接送他们,我们的税务经理在公司内部的邮箱前缀就有Dr xx...

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Post by 豪情 » 2020-12-19 15:09

我记得大众保时捷的ceo啥的也都是机械博士。不像美国车厂管理层都是mba。技术人员地位高估计,德国博士也标准高。不过不幸的是,我知道大众头头都是博士,是跟踪大众隐瞒排放的新闻知道。的。

我读书时候是美国习惯,导师叫first name。不熟的称教授。好像没有称dr的。工作以后都称名字。公立学校mrs来mrs去,我不喜欢这种老派习惯。但是老师们很自豪,以示她们只是凭兴趣教书不靠这个为生。这个细究起来很复杂。总之普通教书在美国是一份underpay的工作,为什么这么低,也是因为传统上是良家妇女主妇之外的闲职,和librarians 类似。凡是女性为主的职业都有这个问题,得到的尊重有限,说到底还是因为男权社会造成的。教书的jill biden称dr有很多层正面意义。
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Post by Jun » 2020-12-19 15:16

This is not the point though. 不同的小圈子里的文化不一样,叫 Professor 还是叫 Doctor 谁谁(例如我们学校里的教授都叫 Dr. 谁谁,但欧洲的教授们经常偏向于 Prof. 甚至 Prof. Dr.)。

The point is, Jill Biden 喜欢管自己叫 Dr.,轮得到老白男和小白男跑出来恶语相向指手画脚吗?他们对 Jill Biden 指手画脚的资格从何而来?当然就是因为他们是男人而 Jill Biden 是女人,怎么不见他们对新纳粹意见领袖 Dr. Seb Gorka 指手画脚评头论足?揪着 Dr. 头衔不放也不过是借口罢了,都特么是幌子,装什么装。
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Post by 豪情 » 2020-12-19 15:34

Harris除了是第一个女vp也是第一个不从夫姓的吧。她也不需要go by mrs. 美国这方面真落后。
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Post by Jun » 2020-12-19 15:42

对哦,过去美国妇女不仅自称 Mrs. Smith,而且自称 Mrs. John Smith,连丈夫的名都一起带过来了。直到七十年代的妇解运动才开始自发地慢慢地改掉。说起妇解运动也比法国晚很多。

我觉得美国主流文化根本就不重视教育,看看他们把钱都花在什么上面就知道了。虽然嘴上支持教育喊得响,但过去三十年里,州政府一旦缺钱立刻先砍教育经费,而一旦多出点钱立刻送给警察和监狱。加州非常严重。Where is the priority?
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Post by 豪情 » 2020-12-19 16:56

非传统女性职业里女性需要正式称呼时候要不选择专业头衔要不Ms, 反正我没看见过谁用miss/mrs,不改夫姓的比例也高多了。我们有男同事婚后和太太用连姓。上上下下喜欢叫first name是另一回事,那是行业风气显得年轻和酷。
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Post by Knowing » 2020-12-20 3:16

Jun wrote:
2020-12-19 15:16
This is not the point though. 不同的小圈子里的文化不一样,叫 Professor 还是叫 Doctor 谁谁(例如我们学校里的教授都叫 Dr. 谁谁,但欧洲的教授们经常偏向于 Prof. 甚至 Prof. Dr.)。

The point is, Jill Biden 喜欢管自己叫 Dr.,轮得到老白男和小白男跑出来恶语相向指手画脚吗?他们对 Jill Biden 指手画脚的资格从何而来?当然就是因为他们是男人而 Jill Biden 是女人,怎么不见他们对新纳粹意见领袖 Dr. Seb Gorka 指手画脚评头论足?揪着 Dr. 头衔不放也不过是借口罢了,都特么是幌子,装什么装。
根本不用跟他们分析内在根源。只要更多女性掌握权力,更多女性赤裸裸炫耀自己的资历和能力,让他们看习惯了就没那么多废话了。这一代改不过来没关系,下一代看习惯了就行。
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Post by Jun » 2020-12-20 9:43

妇女们等待着男权社会允许自己炫耀成就,是永远也等不来的。我觉得非常讽刺的是,社会一直给女人洗脑不要炫耀自己不要吹嘘自己不要宣传自己,温良恭谦让才是好女人,然后拼命吹捧和奖励那些自吹自擂的男人(看看终极牛皮大王),人得多瞎才能看不出来这是骗人的话术?

还有常见的骂人话,小肚鸡肠,心胸狭窄,恶毒,格局小,撒泼,眼光短浅,全是理所当然地 stereotype 女人的形容词和评价,社会也照单全收坚信不疑。看看这些老白男小白男的做派,again 人得多瞎才能对骗人的话术当成真理呢?
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Post by lucoco » 2020-12-20 22:34

Jun wrote:
2020-12-19 15:16
This is not the point though. 不同的小圈子里的文化不一样,叫 Professor 还是叫 Doctor 谁谁(例如我们学校里的教授都叫 Dr. 谁谁,但欧洲的教授们经常偏向于 Prof. 甚至 Prof. Dr.)。

The point is, Jill Biden 喜欢管自己叫 Dr.,轮得到老白男和小白男跑出来恶语相向指手画脚吗?他们对 Jill Biden 指手画脚的资格从何而来?当然就是因为他们是男人而 Jill Biden 是女人,怎么不见他们对新纳粹意见领袖 Dr. Seb Gorka 指手画脚评头论足?揪着 Dr. 头衔不放也不过是借口罢了,都特么是幌子,装什么装。
就是!!!
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