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Post by 幻儿 » 2018-10-11 12:43

我说“物伤其类”的意思就是,好多中间派的法官都觉得Kavanaugh 需要对高中时期的行为做解释有点过格了(他们觉得Ford的指控不到attempted rape的程度,更像是小孩打闹)。

这也不算是“官官相护”吧,有点像最近一些中国籍教授/学者/科学家被指控间谍罪,好多做类似工作的中国人虽然觉得自己并没有任何可以被指摘的地方,但也未免人心惶惶,而且就算是有些同胞的做法有待商榷,但如此大动干戈(间谍罪!)还是过了。

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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2018-10-12 12:46

今天Celeste Ng给thecut写了一篇文章:
https://www.thecut.com/2018/10/when-asi ... n-men.html

在中文社交媒体上见多了(男)人对和外族通婚(女)的谩骂,原来英文世界也有,连Celeste Ng这样的有名文化人也无一例外会遭到打击谩骂,扣上“race traitor"的帽子。都是女人的错,反种族歧视的皮、男权至上的心,用的语言("race genocide")和白人种族至上者是同一套。但是,同样的人往往以date白女为荣,也不担心种族灭绝了。

在toxic masculinity的大环境下,怪女人可以说是很容易的选择了,毕竟离红颜祸国、三从四德的年代也不远。

Celeste Ng的Little Fires Everywhere很好看,结构有点像Big Little Lies,也要被拍成电视剧了。主要是两个女主的对手戏,中间一群teenagers。而且,她的书内容很当代,改变了华裔女作家写书都得写成谭恩美的刻板印象。
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Post by Jun » 2018-10-12 17:52

可不是,男权社会里处处特权而不自知。以前我听见看上去知书达理的还算正常的普通男性说,你们女人权利已经超过我们了,还惊诧莫名,现在知道了,他们是真心相信不是开玩笑的。When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

我的一个好朋友,她老公多年投票给民主党,忽然摇身一变成了川粉,我朋友简直气死了。根本原因就是他觉得女人权力太大都爬到男人头上了,遇到这种masculinity 感到威胁的人没法跟他讲理,跟他说压迫你的是资本家不是女性,是听不进去的。
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Post by Knowing » 2018-11-02 11:13

Google staff walk out over women's treatment
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46054202
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Post by Jun » 2018-11-02 11:37

Knowing wrote:Google staff walk out over women's treatment
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46054202

:admir002: :applaudit02:
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Post by april » 2018-11-02 20:50

Google employees and contractors participate in global “walkout for real change”
两万人,全球五十个城市!只有不到五天时间准备!组织能力一流! :admir002: :admir002:

五条诉求也很有意思。这两天狂补劳工法和强制调停...
An end to Forced Arbitration in cases of harassment and discrimination.
A commitment to end pay and opportunity inequity.
A publicly disclosed sexual harassment transparency report.
A clear, uniform, globally inclusive process for reporting sexual misconduct safely and anonymously.
A commitment to elevate the Chief Diversity Officer to answer directly to the CEO and make recommendations directly to the Board of Directors. And, to appoint an Employee Representative to the Board.
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Post by Jun » 2018-11-04 21:19

前两天佛州的一家瑜伽馆被持枪白男攻击,打死两个女人,伤好几个。凶手是个 incel。

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fl ... be-n931036

我有个理论,不是内部矛盾激化到一定程度会打起来吗?其实美国现在的状况已经是变相的内战了,越来越多的白男枪杀“敌人”,只是没有正式的组织成军队罢了。
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Post by Jun » 2018-11-30 23:08

迈阿密号角报前天出的长篇调查报告,被我非常偶然地撞上了。可能因为最近新闻太多太火爆而被淹没了,也可能因为不是全国性大报,但内容确实很火爆。报道的主角是 Jeffrey Epstein,这个名字我之前耳朵有刮到但是不知详情,原来他长期给有权有势的好朋友们拉皮条,他的 sex trafficking ring 的生意规模相当不小,受害者包括很多未成年的女孩子。他的朋友们有多么有权有势呢?Bill Clinton 和 Donald Trump 都是他的“朋友”,经常光顾他的庄园,当他终于被警方盯上的时候,给他辩护的律师包括哈佛大学的著名法学教授 Alan Dershowitz 以及 Ken Starr ,起诉他的联邦检察官(实际上包庇了他)是川皇任命的劳工部长 Alex Acosta。

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/ ... 97825.html

我自己也刚看了个开头,等我看完了明天来慢慢地复述。
“I don’t think anyone has been told the truth about what Jeffrey Epstein did,’’ said one of Epstein’s victims, Michelle Licata, now 30. “He ruined my life and a lot of girls’ lives. People need to know what he did and why he wasn’t prosecuted so it never happens again.”
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Post by Knowing » 2018-12-01 3:16

Jeffrey Epstein 很有臭名的!他是个财富管理人,喜欢未成年少女,经常举行盛大派对,给其他有钱人拉皮条。06年警方调查他的时候,发现他的公寓里装了很多隐藏的摄像头,用来录他的朋友和未成年少女的录像,日后敲诈勒索。08年被定罪引诱未成年少女卖淫,被判十八个月。他在英国就有名,几年前有个女孩出来控告十七岁时经他介绍跟安德鲁王子发生关系。大选的时候有女人出来控告她未成年时被Epstein 介绍给川普,发生关系。
他不恋幼童,喜欢的是十五六七的少女,比较接近成年女性的体态而具有犯罪禁忌的刺激性,所以受众比较广,很多有钱有势人并无特殊嗜好的也会觉得很刺激来试一试。所以才能跟那么多人拉上关系。
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Post by Jun » 2018-12-20 14:21

后知后觉大惊小怪地跳上来说,Neil deGrasse Tyson 也被指控性骚扰甚至药迷强暴女性!

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/12/ ... ley-watson

可惜,我一直都挺喜欢他讲课的。What is WRONG with men?!
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Post by Knowing » 2018-12-21 8:08

uh! I am so disappointed. I really liked Neil deGrasse Tyson too.
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Post by Knowing » 2019-01-11 3:35

最近纪录片surviving R Kelly 引起非常大反响. 我还没看, 英国没有。前两年看过一点新闻报道说R Kelly run a sex cult, 好几个少女的父母哭诉孩子留在那里不出来. R Kelly 的前妻上电视访谈, 说自己被暴力对待的经历, 以前一直没有发声, 直到看见另一个受害者哭诉经历跟自己惊人的相似. 她说我出声时要让那个女性也被相信.
讲句不太好听的实话, 我们都是社会产品. 女性未必比男性更有empathy, 更无私.但是这些'奉献型'品质被社会一直定义为女性品质, 母性品质, 我们就会觉得拿这些品质衡量自己更重要. #metoo appeals to that, 为自己出声要求公平会被质疑羞辱. 但是为common good, 为声援其他受害者, 为防止更多人受害而出声, 很多女性会愿意.
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Post by Knowing » 2019-01-15 2:20

metoo 时期吉列剃须刀的新广告:We Believe: The Best Men Can Be . 很赞.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koPmuEy ... e=youtu.be


马上有人怒骂这是feminist propaganda, 必需boycott. 其中就有名人, 嘲笑邦德背娃太娘炮的Piers Morgan .
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Post by Jun » 2019-01-15 13:04

去随便狗了一下 R Kelly ,发现我在脑子里把他跟著名川粉 Kanye West 搞混了,反正他俩的音乐我都没听过。以前好像模糊听说过 Kelly 是个恋童癖,没想到搞的规模这么大。
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Post by 幻儿 » 2019-01-15 16:07

R Kelly 我都没听说过,但是作为Lady Gaga脑残粉,看到了她写的长文,关于R Kelly的,不但说不再合作了,而且语气还蛮恳切的。

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Post by 幻儿 » 2019-01-15 16:08

另外好像页面改版了是吗?还是只有我这里是这样?

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Post by 豪情 » 2019-01-15 16:29

升级了有点变化。
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Post by Knowing » 2019-01-16 2:10

I Believe I Can Fly ?R Kelly的歌你肯定听过,他自己hits 很多, 也给别的歌手写. 红了好几十年. 现在都是streaming 也好,以前要从一张旧唱片上抽掉一首歌简直不可能.

我这两天陆续看了些报道. 好恐怖. Cycle of Sexual Abuse Continues。

R Kelly 九岁时就被大六岁的亲姐姐性侵. 他弟弟Carey Kelly 也是受害人, 现在哽咽的述说当年的经历. 当时 Carey不知道R kelly 同样是受害人. 试探的告诉他, 说我们应不应该告诉妈妈. R Kelly 说你干嘛编这种话, 不信. Carey 就想他都不信, 妈妈也不会相信的.于是闭嘴没跟任何人说.

R Kelly 成名后经常去自己上学的中学校门口麦当劳捡少女. 去mall 里逛捡姑娘. 向身边伴舞伴唱的小侄女下手. 他不像纯粹恋童癖, 喜欢的不是八九岁的幼女, 多是已经发育的十四五的少女, 容易灌输控制。性丑闻录像带里他和十四岁少女性交, 少女的老师,阿姨, 熟人,都指认是她, 但是少女本人和父母拒绝出庭作证, 陪审团认为无法定罪. 之后他比较谨慎的泡年纪大一点,十七八九甚至二十多岁的女性. 喜欢控制身边的女性. 对她们一开始非常温柔, 这几个控诉的女性(包括前妻)小时候都有目击家暴甚至自己被虐待的历史, R Kelly 温柔的照料她, 对她如公主, 给她卡随便买买买, 说爱她, 她对他是特别的, 打开心扉倾吐自己也有被性虐史. 女友搬进来同居就开始各种控制, 不准跟男性工作人员说话,控制穿什么衣服, 必须随时发短信给他报告行踪, 甚至吃饭如厕都要请求许可. 然后开始物理暴力惩罚, 不给吃饭, 然后引入其他女性.... 听下来简直是虐待教科书.

他前妻和另一个前女友鼓起勇气离开他都是因为孩子。 前妻一度要自杀, 爬到阳台铁栏上往下看, 幻想自己躺在血泊中, 女儿哭着说妈妈你为什么跳? 她想如果都肯离开孩子不管了, 还不如带着孩子离开他. 而且女儿开始质问父亲为什么这样对母亲了. 如果以后女儿也被虐待,她对女儿怎么说? 女儿会说你这么多年都不离开父亲, 我为什么要离开. 于是她离婚, 为了打破这个Cycle of Sexual Abuse 。
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Post by Jun » 2019-01-19 10:09

差不多一两个星期之前,US Figure Skating 组织和独立调查体育abuse控诉的 Safe Sport 组织宣布调查双人滑前选手/现教练/转播评论员 John Coughlin ,具体没说对他的控诉是什么。然后前两天,在2019年全美锦标赛开始之前,USFS 宣布调查升级,有多个人对 Coughlin 提出指控,暂时禁止他参加一切比赛(他有带学生去全美)。

昨天晚上他自杀了。花样滑冰是一个很小的圈子,现在立场四分五裂,有些人与 Coughlin 有旧交情,很气愤,认为他是被冤枉及逼死的;另一些人则认为如果他是“畏罪自杀”就不值得同情。还有一些人不知道说什么好。

Coughlin 曾经在圈内非常有人缘,还当过运动员代表。我只能说真没想到。
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Post by Knowing » 2019-01-21 3:52

悲剧。体操医生Larry Nasser 情况有些类似,也是素有好人的名声,特别热心友善,所以多年多人的指控都被压下去,最初曝光时很多人不相信。
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Post by april » 2019-04-15 18:46

MIT那个主持编辑黑洞照片的女博士在网上被一帮bro-programmer诋毁的事情大家有没有听说?
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Post by Jun » 2019-04-16 10:19

女性科学家要多学学 James Watson 的人生态度。

不能同意此推的第二条,不能因为男性围观者的嫉妒导致的言论攻击就少说话,反而更要多吹嘘自己才能有改变。

If I have learned anything on Twitter, it is the impossibility of making everyone like, or at least not hate, you. Literally anyone is hated by someone.
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Post by april » 2019-04-16 11:12

Jun wrote:
2019-04-16 10:19
不能同意此推的第二条,不能因为男性围观者的嫉妒导致的言论攻击就少说话,反而更要多吹嘘自己才能有改变。

If I have learned anything on Twitter, it is the impossibility of making everyone like, or at least not hate, you. Literally anyone is hated by someone.
同意!要不屈不挠循序渐进的抗争。
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Post by 幻儿 » 2019-04-26 16:34

纽时的Top Story:
Women Did Everything Right. Then Work Got ‘Greedy.’
How America’s obsession with long hours has widened the gender gap.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/26/upsh ... s&ref=cta
这篇文章看得我,太心有戚戚了。
Daniela Jampel and Matthew Schneid met in college at Cornell, and both later earned law degrees. They both got jobs at big law firms, the kind that reward people who make partner with seven-figure pay packages.

One marriage and 10 years later, she works 21 hours a week as a lawyer for New York City, a job that enables her to spend two days a week at home with their children, ages 5 and 1, and to shuffle her hours if something urgent comes up. He’s a partner at a midsize law firm and works 60-hour weeks — up to 80 if he’s closing a big deal — and is on call nights and weekends. He earns four to six times what she does, depending on the year.

It isn’t the way they’d imagined splitting the breadwinning and the caregiving. But he’s been able to be so financially successful in part because of her flexibility, they said. “I’m here if he needs to work late or go out with clients,” Ms. Jampel said. “Snow days are not an issue. I do all the doctor appointments on my days off. Really, the benefit is he doesn’t have to think about it. If he has to work late or on weekends, he’s not like, ‘Oh my gosh, who’s going to watch the children?’ The thought never crosses his mind.”

Daniela Jampel and Matthew Schneid read to their children before bed. They are both lawyers, but he works at least three times as much as she does, and he earns four to six times as much.

American women of working age are the most educated ever. Yet it’s the most educated women who face the biggest gender gaps in seniority and pay: At the top of their fields, they represent just 5 percent of big company chief executives and a quarter of the top 10 percent of earners in the United States. There are many causes of the gap, like discrimination and a lack of family-friendly policies. But recently, mounting evidence has led economists and sociologists to converge on a major driver — one that ostensibly has nothing to do with gender.

The returns to working long, inflexible hours have greatly increased. This is particularly true in managerial jobs and what social scientists call the greedy professions, like finance, law and consulting — an unintentional side effect of the nation’s embrace of a winner-take-all economy. It’s so powerful, researchers say, that it has canceled the effect of women’s educational gains.

Just as more women earned degrees, the jobs that require those degrees started paying disproportionately more to people with round-the-clock availability. At the same time, more highly educated women began to marry men with similar educations, and to have children. But parents can be on call at work only if someone is on call at home. Usually, that person is the mother.

This is not about educated women opting out of work (they are the least likely to stop working after having children, even if they move to less demanding jobs). It’s about how the nature of work has changed in ways that push couples who have equal career potential to take on unequal roles.

“Because of rising inequality, if you put in the extra hours, if you’re around for the Sunday evening discussion, you’ll get a lot more,” said Claudia Goldin, an economist at Harvard who is writing a book on the topic. To maximize the family’s income but still keep the children alive, it’s logical for one parent to take an intensive job and the other to take a less demanding one, she said. “It just so happens that in most couples, if there’s a woman and a man, the woman takes the back seat.”

Women don’t step back from work because they have rich husbands, she said. They have rich husbands because they step back from work.

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Post by Jun » 2019-04-26 17:03

“It just so happens that in most couples, if there’s a woman and a man, the woman takes the back seat.”
Yeah, it just so happens. It's all a cosmic accident. Nobody is to blame ...
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Post by Knowing » 2019-04-27 5:42

Again, 这就是男权社会的陷阱,给你一个糟糕的选择(减少工作时间照顾孩子)和另一个更糟糕的选择(跟配偶一样拼命超时工作让孩子自生自灭),貌似你有选择并没被逼死,实则 not much of a choice.

第三个更合理的选择“配偶和你在工作时间各退半步,接受两人赚钱能力都暂时减少,平等分担照顾孩子的责任”,就被抹掉看不见了。这需要女方为自己争取,把自己的事业当事业,不能因为赚的少主动退让,坚持教育配偶,定期审视家务平衡,重新谈判分配。天上不会掉馅饼,这个on going process 一定不能停。一方面照顾孩子虽然累,也很rewarding, 父亲做的太少,对父亲和孩子都不公平,他们都deserve 更好的亲子关系。另一方面是米雪奥巴马给我们上的重要一课:一定要追求喜欢的,带来真正满足感的职业道路,不然太容易被配偶工作的demand碾压了。 我和素食男就是这么做的,我觉得完全做得到,而且起头略困难后面会越来越容易,因为父亲和孩子的关系越好,父母切换责任越容易,不会什么事儿必须母亲才管得了。学校仍然会在小绿生病时打电话给我,但我可以让素食男去接,不必中断工作。小绿也不会在生病难受的时候只扒在我身上不放。

事实上我看到的并没有这么糟糕,比较多的还有第四种:take turns 。孩子小的时候女方take sometime off, 孩子略大后由帮手和配偶接上,女方在工作上可以投入更多时间。 这个前提是女方生孩子比较晚,事业有一定基础,捡起来比较容易。现在专门target 资深职业女性生育后重返轨道的猎头和项目都有,because the mums are bargains. 我身边的朋友里,就有这样的例子:夫妻同种职业,女方生完第二个孩子一年后回去工作,几年后收入已经超过男方。

文中说到的也不见得就是“正常社会”. 美国社会不是世界上唯一可能。我和朱莉曾讨论过我们的女同事多么少,有多少男同事的妻子不工作,她说她在瑞典工作的那年,就敏感的注意到同样是金融业,她同样是唯一女性,但是男同事的妻子几乎都工作。我和芬兰的朋友讨论过他们的教育制度,他说学校很少需要家长参与,因为普遍是双职工,没那么多时间。美国(英国也好不到哪里去)学校需要的家长付出之多简直是个scam! 昨天我还跟小绿同学的妈一起吐槽,那么贵的学费,四五个礼拜就放一次假,下午三点就放学!

出生在不公平的社会里,好比天生只有一条腿,硬要把自己当两条腿看是自欺欺人,但是也不能躺到不干了,要跑就要比另一个性别的人更有毅力。人生不是百米赛跑是一场马拉松,坚持下去跑到底就是胜利。
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Post by Jun » 2019-04-28 15:36

说实话,如果掌权的有一半是女性,这些屁事儿早都不是事儿了。如果掌权的有大半是女性,国泰民安风调雨顺大家跑步进入共产主义,大半男公民开心得乐不思蜀躺倒享福去了。
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Post by Knowing » 2019-04-29 4:57

先有蛋还是先有鸡? 非要等女人当了总统,在两院都占多数才能让丈夫多分担家务吗? 不要把权力/影响简单的理解为权威. 每个人在身边的环境里都有power , 可以谈判,可以争取. 家务劳动都是价值, 丈夫不做就不会充分理解. 不能说他赚钱比较重要就别干家务. Melinda Gates 跟丈夫谈判,让他开始送孩子上学,几周后送孩子上学的爸爸明显多了, 估计是妻子回去对丈夫说:比尔盖兹送孩子上学,你也可以送孩子上学. 更重要的是,你今天不跟丈夫平等分担家务,明天你的儿子和女儿对夫妻分担家务的期望值就不高. 每个人的小选择会影响将来的大环境. 总挑看上去最容易的路走, 是纵容这个社会不平等文化自我复制. 而文化决定女性能不能当权.
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Post by Jun » 2019-04-29 7:33

我跟小K说的没有矛盾。我说的权力不仅是政治权力,也包括在公司里当小组长的权力。更重要的是每个女性在生活里接受乃至争取权力,虽然我们从小被教育权力“姿态难看”而不习惯 take the lead。Power comes from everyone. 其实人人都喜欢也想要 power 但是男孩子女孩子受到的教育不同,女孩子被教育要压抑自己的野心。
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Post by 幻儿 » 2019-04-29 10:44

也不是说男的非得分担家务,或者说什么职位都要男女对半,而是传统上女性承担的社会分工不是赚得少就是压根不给钱!
比如说做饭,以前绝大多数家庭都是女的做饭,大家都吃的很开心,但是都不付钱!可是在饭店里呢,大厨都是男的,付钱给男的做饭就是理所当然!
又比如说做家务,仆人大多数都是女的,然后你猜怎么着,管家忽然变成男的!学校里,绝大多数老师都是女的,校长是男的!反正做同样的事情,什么职位赚钱多就给男的,赚的少的就给女的。

这篇文章里也说到这个问题,凭什么finance, law, consulting就非得要求24/7 availability, 能做到这个就赚得多得多?社会对不同工种的reward太不公平了!

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Post by Jun » 2019-04-30 12:12

这个“定律”几十年前我就听说了,任何行业里只要让女人进来就开始掉价,女人进来越多就掉价得越厉害,例如苏联女医生多,所以当医生工资低;女人越少工资就越高。不过这话总是说得好像是经济学自然规律似的,而不是人为制造的结果。现在不方便拦着不让女人进某某行业了,就改变游戏规则,想别的办法把男工人女工人分割开算工资——女工人总要喂奶吧?总要带孩子看病吧?这就 differentiate 出来了。每次有人提出男女工资差异,男人赚一块女人赚八毛,总是另有人出来辩论,这是公正的,因为女雇员上班时间比男雇员少,因为要带孩子。既然带孩子的一方被惩罚少赚钱,你还抱怨更多女人不愿意生娃?
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Post by Knowing » 2019-04-30 12:40

那个说法是有经济学定律“支持”的,supply demand 吗,干的人多了工资就降了。对此我的驳斥跟”移民降低工资”论一样,很多行业最开始接受女性是因为对劳动力需求大。
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Post by tiffany » 2019-04-30 12:44

Let me take a wild wild guess, it was men who came up with this "theory" and they have been pretty self-congratulatory about it :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post by Jun » 2019-04-30 13:10

Supply demand 看似有道理,但在男性少的行业,如护士和幼教,工资仍然低。护士短缺到死人,待遇仍然很差。。。
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Post by 豪情 » 2019-04-30 13:21

男护士也比女护士挣的多。
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Post by Knowing » 2019-04-30 13:52

(男)经济学家会回答。当然是价格调节造成的,护士和幼教工资低,男人要养家不肯做呗。
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Post by Knowing » 2019-04-30 14:07

幻儿 wrote:
2019-04-29 10:44
也不是说男的非得分担家务,或者说什么职位都要男女对半,而是传统上女性承担的社会分工不是赚得少就是压根不给钱!
把自己不做的事情看的轻松,容易,简单,可有可无,是很常见的误区,是个人就难以避免。我自己也常犯这种错误。工作中天天可见此类实例。
在男权社会里,工作的‘重要性’和‘难度’和‘贡献’都是当权者定的。而当权者长期,大量是男性的事实,就造成了女性承担的家务被undervalue. 然后还有文化洗脑有意无意把家务sugarcoat。 逻辑如下:A:洗衣做饭带孩子照料家人是爱的表示,B:照料家人的女性很愉快,C:她们不需要社会承认经济价值。中间B推出C就轻松的抹杀了劳动量和难度。把‘照料家人的女性’换成‘设计大楼的建筑师’‘拍电影的演员’,大家都会觉得很可笑吧。对主妇的家务劳动这么说就会很多人接受,女性自己也接受。男性则被灌输:我出去赚钱让妻子在家享福是照顾家人。

在一个理想的,两性完全平等的社会里,quota 制度是不需要的. 夫妻俩愿意做多少家务和工作可以完全由他们自由决定. 不幸的是, 我们生活在一个糟糕的, 系统性轻视家务劳动的社会里. 所以要改善自己的小环境, 在不换丈夫的前提下, 坚持丈夫分担更多家务, 是最有效快捷的做法.
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Post by Jun » 2019-09-10 6:35

关于 Google 的负面报道:

https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/9/9/208 ... -exclusive

投诉被骚扰和歧视的员工受到 human resource 部门打击报复,尤其是,当当当,去怀孕生孩子的女员工。这太合乎逻辑了。

Google 的法律部门头头 David Drummond 跟好几个下属搞婚外恋,其中一个生了娃,然后公开写文章吐槽他:

https://medium.com/@jennifer.blakely/my ... af688ec3ab

Jennifer Blakely 的自述看着怎么这么眼熟涅?...
Looking back, I see how standards that I was willing to indulge early on became institutionalized behavior as Google’s world prominence grew and its executives grew more powerful. Women that I worked with at Google who have spoken to me since the New York Times article have told me how offended they were by the blatant womanizing and philandering that became common practice among some (but certainly not all) executives, starting at the very top.
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Post by 幻儿 » 2019-09-10 9:03

所以真的,这些规则就是服务于男性的,女的就是干倒霉。

最近出版界也出了个让人瞠目结舌的事儿,甚至有卡夫卡意味。
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ro ... ook-thrush
2017年,兰登书屋给两名纽约时报记者,一男一女,一笔订金让他们写一本Trump白宫内幕的书。不久男记者就被指控sexual misconduct,纽时开始内部调查,兰登书屋也赶紧和他划清界限,不让他参与了。女记者和兰登书屋协商再找个合作者一起写,但是没找着,女记者就也退出了。但是!由于兰登书屋drop了男记者,所以男记者可以保留那笔订金,而女记者选择自己退出,所以她必须归还订金!哦对了,男记者虽然被调离白宫,但仍然在纽约时报,还被赋予重任,报道2020选情!
男的犯错,女的付代价。这就是现实。。。 :BloodyK:

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Post by april » 2019-09-10 9:53

power corrupts. absolute power corrupts absolutely.
恃强凌弱自然要捡最软开始捏。女性明显比少数族裔还软。不欺压她们欺压谁?
谷歌那个歧视怀孕女员工的主管也是女性,Drummond本身是少数族裔。简直就是阿Q和祥林嫂谷歌版。靠。
昨天读宫琦市定,看他赤裸裸的说:
后世官僚集团的统率者被称为“宰相”,“宰”是厨师,“相”是协助主人起居的护理人,都由奴隶担任。此外,据史实所示,辅佐齐桓公的管仲曾经因与桓公作对而成为俘虏,是从死囚中释放出来的奴隶。辅佐秦穆公的百里奚曾将自己以五头羊的价格卖掉,因而也是奴隶。而出现在时代更早的故事中的傅说,是殷天子见其从事奴隶劳动而赏识提拔的,其姓“傅”是指看小孩的人,也是奴隶的工作。这样看来,先是在君主的侧近有奴隶集团,其中有能力的人成为政治上辅佐君主的顾问,从而提高了地位,掌握了大权,虽然身为奴隶,却受到世人的尊敬。于是有人开始主动投身于这些奴隶之中,进而形成了官僚集团。此时,这些官僚便在君主面前自称“臣”。君臣的关系由此确立,本来就和君主与人民的关系不同。生活于春秋末期的孔子仕于鲁哀公时也是采取臣的形式,因此就算其地位是大司寇,也与后世的高官不同,只是哀公家臣集团的一员。
所以如今中国互联网上那些操着镰刀的心的韭菜有着源远流长的传承
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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2019-09-10 11:44

游戏业的问题也(更?)大。
https://www.wired.com/story/videogames- ... fragility/

喜欢欺负新入行的女程序员的Alec Holowka被多人揭发之后自杀了,游戏界炸了锅,纷纷指责受害女性居然有胆量出来说,最先爆料的Zoë Quinn尤其备受压力。在很多人眼里,谁的身体、面子、前途和健康最重要,不言而喻。
The videogames industry is having its #MeToo moment, and the backlash against it has been fast and brutal. Developers and creators are bravely going public about decades of exploitation, including at the hands of respected figures who have contributed to beloved franchises. The response has been moral outrage—not that there's an epidemic of men hurting women and covering for each other, not that sexual harassment has been tacitly tolerated within the industry, but that women have the gall to complain.
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Post by Jun » 2019-09-10 16:11

唐唐的郁金香 wrote:
2019-09-10 11:44
喜欢欺负新入行的女程序员的Alec Holowka被多人揭发之后自杀了,游戏界炸了锅,纷纷指责受害女性居然有胆量出来说,最先爆料的Zoë Quinn尤其备受压力。在很多人眼里,谁的身体、面子、前途和健康最重要,不言而喻。
游戏业是最先爆出来丑闻的区域,Gamergate 持久到现在已经长达五年,也是ugliest,因为在游戏中 Incels 特别集中,不象好莱坞还得维持一个进步势力的表面。

这个事件颇有点儿象花样滑冰界里的 John Coughlin 被控告后自杀事件,很多人出来说冠冕堂皇的话,理中客的面目越来越变形扭曲,只有傻子才看不出他们的真实意图。

前两天不知为啥想起科幻小说界的 Sad Puppies 运动,问家属现在怎样了,他答销声匿迹。
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Post by Knowing » 2019-09-11 5:12

Alec Holowka 据说自己也有受虐历史,又成为施虐者,长期有各种精神疾病,总之是脑子乱成一团的一个人。
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Post by Jun » 2019-09-30 15:30

上星期 BBC 闹出大争议,早晨节目中议论美国总统大骂几个有色人种国会女议员,叫她们滚回老家去。南亚裔的女主持人 Naga Munchetty 在节目里提到自己也被指鼻骂过同样的话。视频中下面卫报文章里有,很短几句话,大家可以自己看看。这几句话被一个观众反复投诉至少三次,最后BBC 裁定 Munchetty 违反了新闻中立台规,记过处分。裁决公布后被网民骂,editorial standards chief, David Jordan 出来辩护台里的裁决,接着被骂。今天 BBC director general 收回了处分决定。早就有人指出,谈话节目里实际上两个主持人都在讨论这件事,但只有 Munchetty 被处分。BBC 开头说,这是因为只有她被投诉,但卫报记者看了原投诉后发现不是,投诉者抱怨的是他俩。呵呵。

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/ ... dan-walker
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Post by Knowing » 2019-09-30 15:36

Go back where you come from 是racist comment难道不是公认的吗?FFS
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Post by Jun » 2019-09-30 15:38

Knowing wrote:
2019-09-30 15:36
Go back where you come from 是racist comments 难道不是公认的吗?FFS
No. Racists don't believe it's racist.
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Post by dropby » 2019-09-30 15:56

没时间去仔细看。投诉啥?主持人有说Go back where you come from 是racist comments然后被投诉这样说有违新闻中立原则?

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Post by Jun » 2019-09-30 17:48

链接里的视频只有33秒,再忙也可以瞟一眼,如果你真的好奇的话。投诉就是说你们这俩人 liberal bias, 攻击川普,不像话。
Wonderful things can happen when you sew the seeds of distrust in a garden of assholes.
--- Raylanism per Elmore Leonard via "Justified"

dropby
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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by dropby » 2019-09-30 20:39

我去看了。所以新闻中立的标准就是你不能call racism as racism? wtf!

Jun
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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by Jun » 2019-10-03 10:38

Bob Woodward was booed by audience for being disrespectful and making a fool of himself in interview with journalists who broke Weinstein scandal.

https://usatoday.com/amp/3848998002

A GW Bush apologist who also feels sorry for Harvey Weinstein and dismisses women (not just the victims but also the reporters). I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked.
Wonderful things can happen when you sew the seeds of distrust in a garden of assholes.
--- Raylanism per Elmore Leonard via "Justified"

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