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Post by Jun » 2018-09-29 16:49

白宫禁止 FBI 调查 Kavanaugh 做伪证的问题以及其他调查范围:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... tt-n915061
Instead of investigating Swetnick's claims, the White House counsel’s office has given the FBI a list of witnesses they are permitted to interview, according to several people who discussed the parameters on the condition of anonymity. They characterized the White House instructions as a significant constraint on the FBI investigation and caution that such a limited scope, while not unusual in normal circumstances, may make it difficult to pursue additional leads in a case in which a Supreme Court nominee has been accused of sexual assault.
Two sources familiar with the investigation said the FBI will also not be able to examine why Kavanaugh’s account of his drinking at Yale University differs from those of some former classmates, who have said he was known as a heavy drinker. Those details may be pertinent to investigating claims from Ramirez who described an alleged incident of sexual misconduct she said occurred while Kavanaugh was inebriated. Ramirez's lawyer said Saturday that she had been contacted by the FBI and would cooperate.
这都是 Don McGahn 一手操纵的。一边对着大众喊“你们要求调查,我们调查了。” 一边卡住 FBI 的调查。如果 Kavanaugh 是清白的,他们怕什么呢?

This is why I dislike Woodward's book. 把川皇描写成傻瓜,让人以为白宫什么事都干不成。呵呵,他干不成有人能干得成啊。

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前两天看到一篇文章描述八十年代 prep school 里面的乱象——哦不,正常现象:

We Didn’t Call It Rape
I know what happened at prep school parties in the 1980s. The Brett Kavanaugh and Mark Judge allegations are upsettingly familiar.
By ALEXANDRA LESCAZE

不养娃的人对于本地的私校、天主教私校、男校女校完全不了解。平时来往的亲朋好友都是中产阶级,孩子上的都是公立学校,本身已经非常好,钱最多花在学区房之上。对于天主教私校,我还一直以为管得特别严,只有比公立更保守,却没想到 ... 最近这几年天主教的麻烦不停地膨胀,丑闻一个接一个连绵不断 ...

这说明啥呢?关于过去时代的光鲜美好的传说,都只是传说而已,"Make America Great Again" 想要复辟的那个伟大的过去,实际上并没有那么伟大。前阵子(其实只是一两个星期前,感觉象去年) Jon Favreau 还是谁在 Colbert 节目上说,美国伟大吗?如果你是黑人,呵呵,恐怕没觉得。这星期马上表明,如果你是女人,恐怕更加没理由觉得多伟大了 ... 今天在 Wait Wait Don't Tell Me 上听见一个嘉宾(半)开玩笑说,Only this week it's better to be black than a woman.

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For years I did not understand why I was so acutely and instinctively aware of real meaning of "dog whistles" in the racial context. It's kind of shocking that the mystery is finally solved in front of my eyes. It is easier to recognize racial "dog whistles" about black people, "angry", "dangerous", "oversexed", "welfare queens", "crack moms", the Willie Horton images, etc., than to recognize the other kind of "dog whistles." You know, "hysterical", "too emotional", "unstable", "weak", "touchy-feely", "soft", "the caring professions", etc., etc.

在美国的职场里或者 public space,形容谁谁 "kind",绝对不是好话,不管 ta 是男的还是女的,沾上这个标签就别想当领导。
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Post by april » 2018-09-30 2:50

SNL Season Premier! 很好笑,但是最后结尾那句“If you think i'm angry now, wait till i get on the supreme court and you will all pay." 让我无论如何笑不出来。冷到骨头里去了。
Kavanaugh Hearing Cold Open - SNL
"Ronan Sinatra" :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Weekend Update anchors Colin Jost and Michael Che tackle the week's biggest news, including Judge Brett Kavanaugh and Dr. Christine Beasley Ford's testimonies on Captiol Hill.

“This taught me a lot about white prep schools...i'm sending my kids to a black school where it is safer."
"Why does it have to be him? can't you just pick another dude from your illuminati lizard meetings? are Republicans so pro-life that they don't even have a plan-B for this?"
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post by Knowing » 2018-09-30 3:43

"Ronan Sinatra" :f16: :f16: :f16: :f16:
Matt Damon 演的好逗。
Brett Kavanaugh 在听证会上的愤怒是挺可怕的。我马上能认出这类男人,一眼看上去such a perfect catch. 对女性彬彬有礼,对你有兴趣的话,会很殷勤。一旦遭到拒绝,尤其是喝了点酒再遭到拒绝,马上会很愤怒:How dare you say no to me! Don't you see I am a great catch? Too good for you! 接下来就是扔出一串辱骂的话来贬低你。Rob Porter 也是这类人。

为在电梯门口截住Jeff Flake 的两个妇女叫好。我几乎可以肯定,如果没有她们,Jeff Flake 不会要求调查。一个星期也许不够,白宫也许试图限制调查范围,只要我们有机会继续斗争就好!
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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2018-09-30 8:48

"Ronan Sinatra" 笑死 :mrgreen:
If you think i'm angry now, wait till i get on the supreme court and you will all pay.


:let_me_die: 真心希望这就是笑话。

今天看到这篇文章:The rape culture of the 1980s, explained by Sixteen Candles: The beloved romantic comedy’s date rape scene provides important context for the Brett Kavanaugh accusations. https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/9/27/1 ... -kavanaugh
值得一读。
Here are the basic ideas embedded in this plot:

• Girls who drink are asking for it. Girls who have sex are asking for it. Girls who go to parties are asking for it. They are asking for it even if they only drink and have sex and party with their monogamous boyfriends. Whatever happens to that kind of girl as a result is funny.

• Boys are owed girls. A good guy will help his nerdy bro to get a girl. Her consent is not necessary or desired.

• To avoid being the kind of girl who gets raped, you need to earn male approval. If you earn male approval, other girls might be raped, but you won’t be, and that will prove that you are special.

• Once you earn male approval, it can be taken away — as Caroline’s goes away once Jake tires of her — and then you’ll go from being the kind of girl who doesn’t get raped to the kind of girl who does.

• A good guy can participate in this whole system and remain an unsullied dream guy.

• The kind of girl who gets raped has no right to complain about what happens to her. Also it isn’t rape.

That’s how mainstream culture presented rape, and thus affirmed rape culture, in 1984.
欣慰的是,总的来说社会还是在进步,至少我们知道这就是date rape!

但是, Kellyanne Conway这样人是不会改变看法的:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... -kavanaugh
“I’m a victim of sexual assault,” Conway said. “I don’t expect Judge Kavanaugh or Jake Tapper or Jeff Flake or anybody to be held responsible for that. You have to be responsible for your own conduct.”
怎么说呢,超级保守派女人可怜又可恨?
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Post by Knowing » 2018-09-30 12:06

我八卦帅哥大家都看到了所以都马上理解了Ronan Sinatra 的笑话对吗?我很窃喜很欣慰!
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Post by vivi » 2018-09-30 12:22

SNL关于这次hearing的段子是临时加的吧?太好笑了。
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Post by Jun » 2018-09-30 12:43

Proves again that all drama is family drama ---

Christine Blasey Ford’s family has been nearly silent amid outpouring of support
By Jessica Contrera and Ian Shapira
September 27

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ch ... story.html
Reached by phone on Tuesday, Ford’s father, Ralph Blasey Jr., offered a brief endorsement of his daughter. “I think all of the Blasey family would support her. I think her record stands for itself. Her schooling, her jobs and so on,” he said before hanging up. Moments later, after picking up the phone a second time, he added: “I think any father would have love for his daughter.”
For the Blaseys, it is all intertwined. Ford’s parents raised their children in the same affluent Maryland suburbs as the Kavanaugh family. Her father belongs to the same exclusive all-male golf club as Kavanaugh’s father. And like the Kavanaughs, Paula and Ralph Blasey are registered Republicans. Not only is their party taking Kavanaugh’s side; many of their neighbors are, too.
It was unclear whether Ralph and Paula Blasey would attend the hearing, as Anita Hill’s parents did in 1991 when she testified against Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas.
Ford’s husband, Russell, explained in an interview with The Washington Post last week that Christine moved to California in part to get away from “the D.C. scene.”

“She didn’t always get along with her parents because of differing political views,” Russell Ford said. “It was a very male-dominated environment. Everyone was interested in what’s going on with the men, and the women are sidelined, and she didn’t get the attention or respect she felt she deserved.”
昨天开车时听到 NPR Politics Show 上 Nina Totenberg 说星期四的听证会开始之前,她看见 Blasey Ford 的妈妈忽然出现在听证会房间里,Christine 的表情瞬间变化,然后两人拥抱。我在新闻上搜了半天也没找到她父亲有没有来的报道。

还要问 "Why didn't she report it?" 吗?

想象一下在多少家庭里(本来想说多少“美国白人”家庭里,因为 Anita Hill 是全家出动支持她到底,然而 ... )这样的 generational conflicts 正在上演。
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Post by april » 2018-09-30 15:27

American History in one twitter thread, by Heather Cox Richardson, a history professor at Boston College
https://twitter.com/HC_Richardson/statu ... 9410655233
The GOP effort to slam through the Kavanaugh nomination is a flashpoint because it reveals the essence of today's GOP: a belief that some people are better than others, and should rule the rest of us. That has been the heart of GOP since 1980; the Kavanaugh case exposes it. 1/

In 1981, Reagan said "government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." He meant that regulations protecting workers + the environment hampered businessmen's freedom, and taxes to pay for the bureaucrats to enforce regulations redistributed wealth. 2/

What exactly did "redistributing wealth" mean? It's rooted in American history. Reagan rode to power on a specific image, that of the American cowboy. 3/

That image arose with the cattle industry in the late 1860s, in the midst of Reconstruction, when the Republican federal government put money from new national taxes into an effort to protect black Americans' safety and enable them to compete in the post-Civil War economy. 4/

Southern Democrats, who were murdering ex-slaves and cheating them of wages, howled that taxes "redistributed wealth" from hardworking white men to lazy black people. They held up the cowboy as the perfect American: an individualist who asked nothing of government. 5/
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This image was false. The money in the cattle industry went to the rich bosses; cowboys were underpaid. And the government invested more in the West than in any other region. But the image stuck because of the era's contrast between the "free" West and the "corrupt" East. 6/

The myth said that cowboys were hardworking white men (reality: 1/3 were POC), who lived in a male world (reality: women worked in West), and took care of their loving wives at home. That image stood against the East, where POC-- and women-- demanded access to opportunity. 7/

In this image, the demands of POC and women for equality proved that they were inferior: they wanted government to give them stuff paid for by white men. This would destroy society by elevating the wrong folks. White men really were superior, and must control society. 8/

WWII and the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s resurrected this image. Opponents insisted that equal rights for POC and women were a redistribution of wealth-- socialism or communism-- as government paid for programs, and bureaucrats (and troops), to expand opportunity. 9/

That money came from tax dollars, which meant, in their minds, a redistribution of wealth. See this bumper sticker from JFK's defense of James Meredith's admission to Ole Miss: 10/
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And this North Carolina Ku Klux Klan billboard from 1970: (the caption reads: "Help Fight Communism and Integration." 11/

Defending "individualism" against "communism" meant exalting that individualist symbol, the cowboy. In 1959, there were 26 Westerns on TV. These white men defended "right" against "savages" and had "their true loves waiting" at home. /12

(The Blues Brothers sent this up brilliantly in 1980, just before Reagan's election, contrasting the blues of African American origins, gone to Chicago, and Rawhide itself:) /13

We have looked a lot at how this individualist vision denigrated POC, but it also denigrated white women who wanted opportunities outside the home. They, too, were smeared for asking government to give them benefits (regulations and programs) that would cost tax money. /14

Activists became mythological bra-burners. Women participating in society became "special interests." When Mondale tapped well qualified Geraldine Ferraro in 1984 to be his running mate, 60% of Americans thought he was catering to a "minority." /15

After 1987, talk radio ran with this image. Rush Limbaugh championed Reagan and Bush saying "all my Heroes have been cowboys," and howled about "feminazis." Then Fox personified this, with scantily clad blonde white women who acted weaker than the dominant men around them. /16
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Women who spoke out were isolated, doubted, denigrated, because female submission was a vital part of the era's individualism. Women were just not as good as men. (Men, too, had to conform to winner-take-all dominance, or be labeled a "loser.") /17

Evangelical churches emphasized individualist politics... and women's submission to men. Women who took on public roles as equals to men were vilified. (See, for example, Pelosi, Nancy, and Clinton, Hillary, two names the GOP automatically uses to rally the base.) /18

Women's lives have become increasingly circumscribed and dangerous. The FBI says a "mass shooting" is 4+ deaths, and 54% of such are domestic violence. (But searching "mass shooting" and "domestic violence" turns up a different debate: whether abusers murder strangers.) /19

(That study is here. It is astonishing that this flies so far below the radar.) /20
https://t.co/sWMPIwYM1o

Indeed, women's definition as either wives and mothers and sex objects or as greedy unAmerican harpies has become so acceptable that in 2016 voters elected a man who admitted to sexual assault over a woman who claimed an equal role in American society. /21

Kavanaugh makes the principle behind GOP "individualism" unmissable. How dare a woman question Kavanaugh's fitness for the SC, when GOP Senators want him? He has been groomed for the SC, while she has, one might say, "no rights which [a] white man is bound to respect." /22

That quote is from the 1857 Dred Scott decision, which read black Americans out of society and established that slaveholders could run the country as they wished. And, like that moment, this one has galvanized Americans who oppose turning the nation into an oligarchy. /23

For this is what Kavanaugh represents: the idea that a few elite leaders should run the country on their own terms, taking whatever they want. Don't think of your daughters or wives alone, because they are coming for everyone: your healthcare, your social security, your pay. /24

And now that real Americans who care about equality and democracy are pushing back, these oligarchs are using classic abusive tactics- screams, and threats- to get their way. This pattern will not stop until we, the people, stand up and refuse to accept it any longer. /25
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Post by Knowing » 2018-10-01 3:16

Warren vows 'hard look' at 2020 presidential run after midterms

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/29/poli ... urce=fbCNN
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Post by Jun » 2018-10-01 8:51

根据纽时报道(来源可能是白宫),Don McGahn 命令 FBI 调查只能跟四个人说话,其中包括 Mark Judge 和 Debra Ramirez (第二个指控者),但是不包括 Julie Swetnick(第三个指控者),也不包括,当当当,Kavannaugh 本人,也就是说不给他“向FBI做伪证”的机会,因为向 FBI 作伪证是联邦罪,可以进监狱的。

嗯 ... 如果是清白的 ... 你怕什么 ... (破唱机转啊转)

周末的民调表明更多的人相信 Blasey Ford 说了真话,但是对于 Kavanaugh 的高院认证问题,立场基本不变,反对的还是反对,支持的还是支持。这说明啥呢?说明相信不相信受害者根本不是问题,听证会之前很多人说,我支持 Kavanaugh 因为我不相信她。不知是骗别人还是骗自己,这个我比较看不上。如果一个人承认他的立场是,谁谁年轻时强暴(未成年)女孩子未遂算个啥,照样合格当高院法官,我还会敬你是条诚实的汉子。

同样道理,如果 Kavanaugh 真没强暴未遂,而且敢跟 FBI 说话,或者他承认年轻时干过后来追悔莫及,或者承认年轻时喝醉了不记得做过,这些都不见得立刻 disqualify him。但是疯狂嘶吼“我没干我没醉”然而又不敢跟 FBI 说话 ... 够爷们儿! :super:
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Post by Knowing » 2018-10-01 9:13

同样道理,如果 Kavanaugh 真没强暴未遂,而且敢跟 FBI 说话,或者他承认年轻时干过后来追悔莫及,或者承认年轻时喝醉了不记得做过,这些都不见得立刻 disqualify him。但是疯狂嘶吼“我没干我没醉”然而又不敢跟 FBI 说话 ... 够爷们儿
对国会宣誓后撒谎也是犯罪咩。

Kavanaugh 在国会作证是还说那个所谓的派对根本没发生过--在场的三个人都否认他干了!这是什么样的逻辑水平, 就凭这也不能让他当大法官啊. 其次这也是故意误导观众: 那三个被福特博士列举的可能在场人的证词都是不记得有没有派对, 根本没有否认.

更多当年耶鲁的哥们出来说他在国会公开作证时说谎,说他当年经常喝醉,喝醉后好斗凶狠. 唉,这是干嘛呢. 有没有强暴女孩子是不容易找到铁证, 兄弟你是不是经常喝的烂醉昏死可是太多人证了. just keep digging yourself deeper

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/30/us/p ... naugh.html


另外福特博士随口就说Indelible in the hippocampus is the laughter 真是好帅啊. Preet 和Anne Milgram (新泽西前总律师) 都怂怂的说自己不知道hippocampus是啥得马上得查一下. 我表示理解. 要不是小白老说这个海马体我也不知道哇.
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Post by CAVA » 2018-10-01 12:41

因为敬佩Dr Ford的缘故读了一些报道。在川粉和共和党来说,这是站什么队的问题,而不是相信谁的问题。只要共和党掌握了 最高法院,这群人心心念念的反堕胎,反禁枪都可以得到执行,别说逻辑不通,性格不适合,有历史污点,即时是真有犯罪也可以颠倒黑白说成是被诬陷的。这和川皇当选是一个道理。Kavanaugh在听证会上的表演也许并不那么蠢,他不是要争取选民,而是要做出他心目中受众需要的强硬态度。

所以政治从来没有像当今这么让人灰心过。英国也是一样,纷纷扰扰就是为自己争权,国家命运当成儿戏。

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2018-10-01 13:01

今天听到广播里支持Kavanaugh的观点说,Kavanaugh 让共和党前所未有地团结了起来。我认为,什么反堕胎,厕所法案,持枪自由,都是借口,跟他们就这些问题讲道理其实一点用也没有。真正的核心问题,就是四月贴的推里面那一句话:他们认为一些人高于另一些人,社会理应由高人一等的精英来治理。如果认证了实质性恶性犯罪,该精英还可能被从精英群里除名,但是咸猪手啦,酒桌上的黄段子啦,酒后性侵啦,这些都是小节,受害者别那么唧唧歪歪的,人家为了你做了多少“大事”呢。你算老几?!有本事像邓文迪邓姐一样嫁给阿尔法男才叫人生赢家。
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Post by Jun » 2018-10-01 13:26

对于共和党来说,连卖国都是小节,更别说强暴个把女孩子了,那算啥?
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Post by april » 2018-10-01 13:39

Amy Klobuchar这段15分钟的话,是周五参议院司法委员会,也就是Flake unflaked那次,投票前她的发言。非常好。其中那句“the constitution says ‘We the People,’ not ‘We the ruling party’" 这个周末老在我脑子里转。据说她也很想把Citizen United推翻或者修改。她要是2020竞选总统就好了!以前从来没听过她的名字,这次经此一役,很喜欢她。
https://youtu.be/7-oIV81WVzM

其实说到头,GOP的目的就是把宪法改成"We the ruling party"啊!
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Post by 豪情 » 2018-10-01 13:58

所以华人里这么多川粉可以理解,看看刘强东案后的反应就知道了。
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Post by tiffany » 2018-10-01 14:00

那个太匪夷所思了。按小朋友话讲,都8102年了,怎么妖魔鬼怪又都出来了
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Post by Jun » 2018-10-01 15:40

说到妖魔鬼怪都出来了,周末我在推上看见一个右派说法,可把我给惊呆了。有人在推进“不能错怪 Kavanaugh”的理论时跟人吵架说:你没读过 To Kill a Mocking Bird 吗?诬告男人强奸自己是非常严重的,吃瓜群众要小心别上当了。另一个顶着黑人头像的推则说,诬告人强奸是很严重的,你没听说过 Emmet Till 吗?脸都被打烂了。

说实话我自认是个 cynic,对于人间的恶意和无耻还是有点心理准备的,然而还是被这个程度的无耻与邪恶刷新了认知。You win. :worthy:
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Post by april » 2018-10-01 15:45

妖魔鬼怪从来没有离开吧?
如果说Jane Mayer的那本Dark Money和川皇当选后这两年让我彻底明白Executive and Legislature branches有多烂。Kavanaugh这出闹剧(很快要转悲剧)让大家看到其实司法这最后一根顶梁柱其实也早就烂了。大家一直不肯承认而已。。。至少从Clarence Thomas开始吧。。。27年前。。。
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Post by Jun » 2018-10-02 8:04

好多人说,哪怕有一线的诬告可能性也要相信是诬告的,诬告多严重啊多可怕啊,把一个业绩辉煌的好男人的一生都毁掉了。(当然,即使不是诬告,也是把一个好男人的一生都毁掉了 ...)

呃 ... 这样说的人,我不知道你生活在哪个国家里,如果你生活在美国有目共睹,现实是有十几二十个女人出来指控某个人性攻击,甚至强奸未成年小女孩,而且这个人说的无耻话的录音还被全国播放,这个人最后当上 leader of the free world。

我不知道 Kavanaugh 是不是强奸未遂过,或者有没有掏出他的话儿啪啪甩在女同学脸上,但是上面那个例子可是2018年真实的现状,别假装不知道。事实上有权有势的男人身边有一大帮保护他的人(男女都有),搞倒没那么容易。Preet Bharara's podcast 里面提到 Kavanaugh 的证词跟 Clarence Thomas 的象得不得了,简直就是照抄。呵呵,被公开指控了骚扰女下属,满口黄段子,且在听证会上义正词严地撒谎,最后还不是稳坐大法官几十年?被搞倒的要么是脸皮太薄无耻程度低,要么是不幸属于自由派或民主党,要么是被 Ronan Farrow 或 Jane Mayer 盯上了,搜集了无数多的旁证佐证。

在底层爬着的川粉还替老爷们操中南海的心呢,省省吧。
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Post by Knowing » 2018-10-02 8:50

Deborah Ramirez 旁证不少,因为是派对上公开的prank 炫耀, 之后此事在学生之间还传扬了一阵, 有女孩证明听说. Deborah Ramirez 已经列举在场人的名单给FBI, 很多人也许不愿意跟Ronan Farrow 或 Jane Mayer 交谈, 不能不跟FBI谈. 坐等结果.
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Post by Jun » 2018-10-02 9:19

至少 Les Moonves 被搞倒了。目前纽约检察官在调查他在 CBS 时的性侵性骚扰是否涉及违法行为。
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Post by Knowing » 2018-10-03 1:06

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Post by Jun » 2018-10-03 7:34

在网上看见一张照片,是二十多年前 Ken Starr 调查 Bill Clinton 总统时的团队合影:

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你认出里面的两个眼下的重要人物吗?Kavannaugh 和 Rod Rosenstein。是的,Rosenstein is a solid and loyal Republican.

Kavanaugh 给 Starr 的调查和控告做了很多工作,其中包括对克林顿的直接提问:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... ns-713428/
4. If Monica Lewinksy says you inserted a cigar into her vagina while you were in the Oval Office area, would she be lying?
5. If Monica Lewinksy says that you had phone sex with her on approximately 15 occasions, would she be lying?
6. If Monica Lewinksy says that on several occasions in the Oval Office area, you used your fingers to stimulate her vagina and bring her to orgasm, would she be lying?
7. If Monica Lewinksy says that she gave you oral sex on nine occasions in the Oval Office area, would she by lying?
8. If Monica Lewinsky says that you ejaculated into her mouth on two occasions in the Oval Office area, would she be lying?
9. If Monica Lewinksy says that on several occasions you had her give oral sex, made her stop, and then ejaculated into the sink in the bathroom off the Oval Office, would she be lying?
10. If Monica Lewinsky says that you masturbated into a trashcan in your secretary’s office, would she be lying?
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Post by april » 2018-10-05 0:16

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Post by Knowing » 2018-10-05 4:09

我喜欢Jane Meyer! 我也很喜欢这个封面!
参议员们看过FBI报道后,两个关键人物Jeff Flake Susan Colins 都露出了满意的迹象. 我觉得这场仗要打输了,但是至少. 在民主党完全没权的情况下, activism 还是打了一场硬仗, 为福特博士和在国会抗议的人群叫好!
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/us/p ... court.html
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Post by Jun » 2018-10-05 9:15

美国女同胞需要一场 civil rights movement. 小打小闹证明没用。当年争取投票权有人进监狱有人绝食,黑人民权运动有人进监狱有人被暗杀。没有一样权利是能轻易得到的。
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Post by april » 2018-10-05 12:32

Jun wrote:美国女同胞需要一场 civil rights movement. 小打小闹证明没用。当年争取投票权有人进监狱有人绝食,黑人民权运动有人进监狱有人被暗杀。没有一样权利是能轻易得到的。
争取到了投票权就要用啊!现在有了投票权,上街好像不是很有用。但是感觉上现在的上街抗议提供的主要是参与者的心理安慰。其实拉选票草根运动更有用。纽约客前一阵写过一篇文讲这个https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017 ... protesting

更悲观的看法是当美国政体最后一个貌似公正的分支 --the court 也被证明是假的 (delegitimate) 那么接下来这个所谓的民主机器怎么运作?除了革命内战还有其他出路吗?

但是比较乐观或者说更悲观的看法是,大家这么懒,连投票都懒得去的话,估计对革命也没兴趣。。。所以应该打不起来。。。

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Post by putaopi » 2018-10-05 12:57

这个T-shirt 太可怕了! 这也验证了我的观点:有正常审美观念的人是不会选Trump的,视觉效果不能忍。

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Post by Jun » 2018-10-05 13:49

但是比较乐观或者说更悲观的看法是,大家这么懒,连投票都懒得去的话,估计对革命也没兴趣。。。所以应该打不起来。。。
打得起来的。

自从 Spanish American War 之后,美国的统治阶级就发现了,哦,原来不用打内战也可以起到类似的作用。所以当国内的内部矛盾尖锐到一触即发无以为继的时候,必定会出现以暴力形式向外输出矛盾,以减缓内部的阶级/群体冲突压力。二战、越战、第一次海湾战争、第二次海湾战争,都有国内矛盾激化的前奏,虽然爆发的借口各自不同。眼下其实正是美国政府向外找靶子的高潮时机,我押十块钱半年之内必然出兵 somewhere。(What better way to prove that the male sex is important and indispensible?)

昨天看见 Howard Dean 的推,冷笑说高院的公正性早就在 Bush v Gore 和 Citizens United 判决时自我否定了,并不是今天才腐烂的。嗯,同意,今天发生的一切没有一件事是新鲜的,眼下法院和国会的腐烂只是高潮,而高潮是几十年慢慢达到的,绝不是一天两天达到的。
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Post by april » 2018-10-05 14:42

Jun wrote: 昨天看见 Howard Dean 的推,冷笑说高院的公正性早就在 Bush v Gore 和 Citizens United 判决时自我否定了,并不是今天才腐烂的。嗯,同意,今天发生的一切没有一件事是新鲜的,都是进一步的腐烂而已。
是的,我也这么想
april wrote:如果说Jane Mayer的那本Dark Money和川皇当选后这两年让我彻底明白Executive and Legislature branches有多烂。Kavanaugh这出闹剧(很快要转悲剧)让大家看到其实司法这最后一根顶梁柱其实也早就烂了。大家一直不肯承认而已。。。至少从Clarence Thomas开始吧。。。27年前。。。
这一次把遮羞布拉掉了。
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Post by Jun » 2018-10-05 14:55

Perhaps, maybe, 过去还有块遮羞布,共和党与民主党参议员能够联手认证 Clarence Thomas(直到一年多之前,认证大法官还需要至少60票;是的 Kagan 和 Sotomayor 也得到过一些共和党参议员的支持),以及参议院能保持客客气气的和谐 bipartisan compromise 的表象,恰恰是因为社会矛盾和冲突还不太尖锐,对于白男的顶尖地位还没有那么严重的挑战。而现在的烂泥中厮打的状态,Mitch McConnell 彻底扔掉了几十年的规则和传统,深层原因是统治阶级感到了真正的威胁。也许威胁还不够把他们颠倒的,但已经足够让他们害怕到撕下 bipartisan 的面具了。

最近有两三个枪杀黑人青年的警察被判有罪,跟两三年前连起诉都没有的状态已经有极大变化了。Something is happening.

We gotta remember where we started from.
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Post by 幻儿 » 2018-10-05 15:02

昨天看见 Howard Dean 的推,冷笑说高院的公正性早就在 Bush v Gore 和 Citizens United 判决时自我否定了,并不是今天才腐烂的。嗯,同意,今天发生的一切没有一件事是新鲜的,眼下法院和国会的腐烂只是高潮,而高潮是几十年慢慢达到的,绝不是一天两天达到的。
haha,这两个案子都是我以前所在的律所的合伙人Ted Olson 辩的。他在Kavanaugh提名时也早早表态,在TIME杂志发表文章“A Disgraceful Process” 谴责民主党。American Bar Association 要求FBI调查,Ted Olson公开宣布退出ABA,ABA又公开说我们有权利代表律师们表态。
我之前看到时代杂志文章的时候还有点诧异,为啥他去搅这个浑水,现在我cynical的觉得怪不得他在最高院赢了那么多次,这善缘算是结下了,以后Kavanaugh还能不投桃报李?

有一个法学院教授联名信反对Kavanaugh的,我的好几个法学院老师实名签署了这封信,但是更多的教授保持沉默。

有一些在联邦法院做clerk的同学朋友们说,联邦法官们很不满这次提名的走向,主要是物伤其类吧。感觉这次民主党得罪了很多法官。。。

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幻儿 wrote:
昨天看见 Howard Dean 的推,冷笑说高院的公正性早就在 Bush v Gore 和 Citizens United 判决时自我否定了,并不是今天才腐烂的。嗯,同意,今天发生的一切没有一件事是新鲜的,眼下法院和国会的腐烂只是高潮,而高潮是几十年慢慢达到的,绝不是一天两天达到的。
haha,这两个案子都是我以前所在的律所的合伙人Ted Olson 辩的。他在Kavanaugh提名时也早早表态,在TIME杂志发表文章“A Disgraceful Process” 谴责民主党。American Bar Association 要求FBI调查,Ted Olson公开宣布退出ABA,ABA又公开说我们有权利代表律师们表态。
我之前看到时代杂志文章的时候还有点诧异,为啥他去搅这个浑水,现在我cynical的觉得怪不得他在最高院赢了那么多次,这善缘算是结下了,以后Kavanaugh还能不投桃报李?

有一个法学院教授联名信反对Kavanaugh的,我的好几个法学院老师实名签署了这封信,但是更多的教授保持沉默。

有一些在联邦法院做clerk的同学朋友们说,联邦法官们很不满这次提名的走向,主要是物伤其类吧。感觉这次民主党得罪了很多法官。。。
幻儿详细掰一掰,他们怎么物伤其类的?我好奇死了。。。
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Post by putaopi » 2018-10-06 0:33

我跟朋友都去各自的county 登记做投票日义工,他们真的很需要懂双语的人帮忙。

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Post by Knowing » 2018-10-06 10:06

听了些susan colins 的发言。说不上是什么感觉。比较清楚的是,她一直相当倾向于投赞成票。从她和Kavannaugh 的谈话了解,和从她信任的,跟Kavannaugh 一起共事过的背书,她认为Kavannaugh 是值得信任,诚实,温和派的法官。所以即使在相信福特博士的话的前提下,因为FBI的调查没有提供有利于福特博士的佐证--我的理解,就是mark judge 说这事儿没发生过--她选择信任Kavannaugh。据说小布什个人亲自给她打了好几次电话长谈,为Kavannaugh背书。FBI 在这里的作用也非同小可,rosenstein 当年跟Kavannaugh一起在ken Starr 调查组的同袍之义,呵呵。

我今天也很沮丧。但我不想把所有怒火都加在susan colins 身上。susan colins 有权利做她认为对的判断,虽然我不同意。她为民众做的,她在关键时候的反对票,比绝大多数民主党参议员都有用。她也曾多次站出来批评川皇言行,包括最近川皇讽刺福特博士。

说来说去,民主党最好开始赢选举。共和党当权时间越长,利用权利supress vote 的政策就越多,民主党就更难赢。所以刻不容缓。即使是在加州的同学,周围的红区那么多。要把众议会夺回来也有很多可以做的。
一些紫州,如果能够夺回州议会,选举法规很多是地方的,如果能立法通过要求所有参加总统竞选的候选人都得公布纳税记录,那么川皇就得面临不上选票和公布税表的选择。
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Post by april » 2018-10-06 10:57

今天早上我的推特事件线。。。貌似离只有白男可以投票的十九世纪米国不远了?
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Post by vivi » 2018-10-06 17:44

为什么要对Colins抱这么大希望?她不是GOP吗?还有那个Jeff Flake,稍稍假装一下就觉得有希望了。民主党也该换换血,年轻一代还多点儿脾气。
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Post by Jun » 2018-10-06 18:27

今天跟意大利裔朋友吃饭,她丈夫的弟弟 (white man, kind of a loser) 想离婚想了二十年也没离成,分居很多年,交了无数女友,最近交的一个女友是加纳人,非常黑的非洲移民。他们邀请(他的)朋友来家里吃饭,朋友都哼哼唧唧地说,好吧,可能吧,然后没有一个人来。他们在餐馆吃饭,有(白)人上来问:你为啥跟个 n**ger 搞在一起?跟自己人搞恋爱不行吗?

我惊诧(呵呵,并不)地问,这在哪儿啊?她说在 Warrenton。我以前还在 Warrenton 干过工作呢,从首都开车过去不到50迈。

她又举个栗子,是同一办公室要好的同事亲口告诉她的,绝非传言哈。这个同事是韩裔,老公是白男,他俩去 West Virginia 玩漂流,有(白)人上来指着她的鼻子骂,你怎么搭上我们的人?赶紧滚回老家去。把她气哭了。WV 离首都开车一个半小时,十年前我去过几次泡温泉来着。

就算你住在满地 darkies 的加州,你往东开上两三个钟头到小镇上转转,肯定能碰见人当场叫你滚回老家去。现在 Facebook 什么的上面每天都有人贴出视频,白男白女在街上店里听见周围有人用非英语说话马上过来叫你滚回老家去。

我在推上混的也都是花样滑冰圈子。2016年大选之前几个月,一个白男教练开车路过 Arizona 某地加油买饮料,被当地某女指着骂,叫他滚蛋。为啥呢?他车上挂了彩虹旗,因为他是弯的。

前年夏天我心血来潮,拉着家属去附近乡下坐热气球,往西开出去差不多一个半钟头吧,很多农田,到处都是支持川普的大牌子。热气球老板还挺客气的,他的热气球布上贴了几个大字母 WWJD。我问他代表什么,他说 What Would Jesus Do? 因为他是 born again Christian. 现在我已经不敢去那附近了。

This is not going to change in at least 10 years. 跟谁当选国会议员有什么关系呢?先保住自己的人身安全要紧。

I don't hate Trump. I really don't.

(我颇为阴暗地希望华人和印度裔的川粉/保守派们都去乡下享受一下胜利的甜美空气,但其实他们并不傻,大概是不会去的。)
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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by vivi » 2018-10-06 20:07

华人川粉对华人被歧视还是挺敏感的,特别精分。
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Post by 豪情 » 2018-10-06 22:08

不精分。他们要的是等级分明大家各就其位的制度,安心。被白人和强势群体歧视理所当然,可以歧视别的人种和弱势群体。
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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by Jun » 2018-10-07 8:11

现在才来讲 Supreme Court now has a legitimacy problem 的吃瓜群众乃至评论员们都是老年痴呆症患者。我不是 constitutional scholar 也不是律师,但是连我都知道 Supreme Court 早已成为共和党的政治工具。我也不想看上去太悲观,把事情说得多可怕多黑暗似的,下面列一些过去几年的重大裁决,有兴趣的同学可以去查查已经发生了什么,高院是个什么地方。别以为通过了一个同性恋结婚案就是什么什么了。Again,不是川普一手造成的。

Bush v Gore
Citizens United
Shelby County v Holder
District of Columbia v Heller
all recent gerrymandering cases
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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by april » 2018-10-07 12:59

Jun wrote:现在才来讲 Supreme Court now has a legitimacy problem 的吃瓜群众乃至评论员们都是老年痴呆症患者。我不是 constitutional scholar 也不是律师,但是连我都知道 Supreme Court 早已成为共和党的政治工具。我也不想看上去太悲观,把事情说得多可怕多黑暗似的,下面列一些过去几年的重大裁决,有兴趣的同学可以去查查已经发生了什么,高院是个什么地方。别以为通过了一个同性恋结婚案就是什么什么了。Again,不是川普一手造成的。

Bush v Gore
Citizens United
Shelby County v Holder
District of Columbia v Heller
all recent gerrymandering cases
唤醒吃瓜群众很重要。
就像川皇上台唤醒大众,砸碎对Exec branch因为奥巴马当选而落实的幻想;kavaNO唤醒大家对高庭的幻想。也是一件积德的事。晚总比永远不知道要好一点。

Nate Silver在他推上说两党各种发言都没说到点子上。高庭这个法官从一开始就没啥悬念GOP会如愿以偿,毕竟总统到两院都在GOP手上。再搞不定得有多无能(hint hint "obama care repeal") 但是闹到这个地步才达到目的,值得吗?换任何其他候选人估计都不会闹得这样惨。所以GOP真是没啥好得意的。民主党从一开始就被大家不看好能有啥作为,但是居然还把这个板上钉钉的听证搞得风雨飘摇好几次!还挑起了民主派选民的斗志和愤怒,简直是意外之喜!

但是民众对高庭的公正失去信任是一件特别让人悲伤,不知道是否能够被修复的事情。就像罗马共和国晚期91BC Sulla 带着本来应该服从民众和议院的军队杀进罗马,更早波斯还是希腊神庙陷落过之后动摇的民众的信心,之后就是一路陷落。
好像幻儿以前在这里讲过说法官们自己也说过,法庭甚至陪审团的最终意义不是保持绝对的公正,而是这个程序能够使民众双方达成协议,保持一个公正的感觉。这些种种微妙的烟雾弹在这场闹剧之后都粉碎了。接下来会怎么样真是没人知道。。。

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当初Dr. Blasey 的控告出来我一时拿不定主意时应该在这条下面发还是发到“阳光灿烂”里面。
今天这副图出来我也犹豫了要不要发在Banksy那条下面。。。错综复杂都是互相联系的啊!
He looked like a small panther, and he moved like a patch of night.

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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by Knowing » 2018-10-08 4:02

哈哈,被山寨的好快。
我不知道原有次序被打碎后会怎么样。但是反正也挽救不了了大家就建设新社会呗。别那么悲观绝望。世界还能永远留在老白男手里么。
Nevertheless, she persisted.

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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by april » 2018-10-10 10:44

前几天看到这个,简直是醍醐灌顶!这么简单的道理怎么我早没想明白!!!
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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by Knowing » 2018-10-10 11:41

hahaha

From Twitter: Franklin Leonard
Always buy your domain name, folks.

Dont believe me? Check out www dot brettkavanaugh dot com.

http://www.brettkavanaugh.com
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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by Knowing » 2018-10-11 5:37

Shit! A new twist!
Chief Justice John Roberts orders new investigation into Brett Kavanaugh: Fox News

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/chief- ... -fox-news/
Nevertheless, she persisted.

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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by Jun » 2018-10-11 6:51

Roberts 从九月20日开始就收到一大堆 allegations 关于 Kavanaugh,一直坐着不吭声,直到后者通过了才把案件交给别人去审查。呵呵,I'm shocked. Shocked! 官官相护很奇怪么?他们都是同一类人,这就是幻儿之前说的 “物伤其类” 的意思吧?
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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by april » 2018-10-11 12:04

其实Roberts在帮kavano。因为这些complaint只有在他没被高庭接受前有效。高庭法官不受这个约束。所以Roberts等到高庭席位落实之后走一个这个过场。被Roberts指定的法庭应该会dismiss的。也不能全怪Roberts。因为是听证期间发生的事情,按情理是应该等到听证结果出来之后再决定怎么办的。
He looked like a small panther, and he moved like a patch of night.

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