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Post by dropby » 2018-05-07 16:57

今天发现是时候给欢欢正确的青春期教育包括性教育了。她还不到十岁,已经开始对小宝宝是怎样进到妈妈的肚子里以及爸爸在这个过程中起的是什么作用有好奇心了,而且显然在学校道听途说了不正确的信息。我会先自己看一下前面葡萄皮推荐的录像,再和欢欢一起看。另外大家有什么书推荐么?以前有人推荐过,我没记。

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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by Knowing » 2018-05-07 20:36

狗屎!纽约州总律师 Eric Schneiderman 被指控私下物理暴力女性,立即辞职了。

他是反川皇和#metoo运动中坚力量……我非常惊讶。但是看了一眼报道,纽约客简梅约和洛南法罗署名,我心里一凉觉得完了,这两人都不是随便下手的记者,一定非常确凿彻底的调查过。再读了点报告果然是,四个女性里两个署名,两个对公众匿名但是对记者实名,其中一个是著名律师。四人都是纽约progressive 民主党女性主义者。
Eric schniderman 没有否认暴力指控,只声明是女友,是互相同意的角色扮演。但是从这些女性的描述,绝非Consensual. 还有分手时威胁会跟踪,迫害,杀对方全家,之类的话,太眼熟太典型的Abuser行为。
他也是穆勒调查的重要伙伴,作为州律师,随时准备对抗川皇联邦范围特赦的重要棋子。他也积极调查Weinstein 案被纽约州警方放过的问题。哎。希望继任能够无缝衔接的做下去。


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/07/n ... e=Homepage

Given the woman’s prominence in the legal sphere, Schneiderman’s actions had exposed him to tremendous risk. Yet she took no official action against him. “Now that I know it’s part of a pattern, I think, God, I should have reported it,” she says. “But, back then, I believed that it was a one-time incident. And I thought, He’s a good attorney general, he’s doing good things. I didn’t want to jeopardize that.” She notes that he did not hit her again, after she protested. Nevertheless, she says of the assault, “I knew it was wrong,” adding, “Our top law officer, this guy with a platform for women’s rights, just smacked away so much of what I thought he stood for.”
Manning Barish recalls, “After Rob Porter, I was struggling about whether to come forward. I felt guilt and shame that I was encouraging other women to speak out but wasn’t doing the same. I was a hypocrite. I was in tears.” Her friends told her that she risked becoming known mainly for being Schneiderman’s victim, and she initially agreed to let the matter go. But, after thinking it over, she told them, “If he’s done this to more than one woman, I’m going to say something.”
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Post by Jun » 2018-05-07 22:42

去看了纽约客的报道。非常非常寒。他不是随口说说的威胁,作为纽约州检察长,他的确可以监控任何人,
控告任何人,把他扳倒是很不容易的。这些受害者都不是什么不识字的乡下小媳妇而是受高等教育有社会关系的人生赢家,然而被虐待之后都不敢报警。
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Post by Knowing » 2018-05-08 0:59

短期内是感到受威胁不敢报警,事情过去之后仍然不出来指控,还因为对方跟自己在意识形态上一致,做了很多很好的事情的高调政治人物,‘自己人’. 指控他必然受到周围人的指责和不赞同
我比较感动振奋的是看到这两个实名站出来的女性, 都是因为意识到这个人的行为不是只对一个人发生,而是一个长期模式:如果我们不站出来警告, 还会有别人受害. 我希望有人在我之前站出来警告我,但是既然没有,我就站出来. 哪怕我的生活会受负面影响.

不论是nature vs nurture造成女性显然更重视别人的感受, 至少, 这并不是单纯负面的品质. 介意别人感受而不愿轻易出来指控的人, 也会更愿意为保护其他陌生人不受更多伤害而勇敢的站出来. I am with her.

另外#metoo 的正面影响以及很显著了. 一是:大家现在更相信女性. 这个相信女性不是说任何指控都被无条件接受, 而是最开始是开放信任的态度来听, 而不是马上要求女性拿出物理证据, 照片, 报警, 医疗记录证明自己受害. 拿不出来就是女性想讹诈钱物想出名, 受指使来污蔑政治人物毁掉他们的前途,etc.
二是民主党内有足够女性参议员团结起来组成一股领军的力量, 有力对抗'党要顾全大局保护自己人'的顾虑. 民主党在九十年代攻击抹黑比尔克林顿的指控者, 一时得利, 长期恶果, partly cost HRC the presidency. 如果下次再有人问:Al Franken 应该辞职吗? 这就是答案. 也许对他个案不完全公平. 但是从大局来看是,民主党作为一个党的态度, long over due, 终于被摆清楚: This party believes women.
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Post by Jun » 2018-05-08 7:00

Schneiderman 在私下里如此憎恨跟自己有亲密关系的女人,但在公开场合却大力支持女权,how messed up. 这日子过得。也不知进步人士里隐藏了多少这样的秘密。This is why feminism is good for men too. 也许很多人会觉得,把权重位高的男人们搞得身败名裂也是对他们好么?我觉得是,一个平等而坦白的社会真的是对大家都更好。

Tom Brokaw 最近也被人指控骚扰行为,不过限于对女同事/下属动手动脚。有好多女性名人出来替他辩护。说明公众还在摸索着如何应对各种各样的状况,除了仇女派。At some point people will figure it out. 现在是井喷的状态。

说起来不能不把很大一部分的功劳归于川普啊,大家终于意识到,姑息妥协的结果就是让憎恨自己的人继续掌握一切大权。
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Post by april » 2018-05-08 11:56

推上纷纷在传Preet Bharara应该去竞选纽约州AG职位,连Janet Mayer都附议。真这样就好了,肯定可以无缝对接。反正马上要选举了,按规定选举期间穆勒调查只能转入地下。。。持久战吧。
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Post by Knowing » 2018-05-08 12:34

真的,正合适!
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Post by Jun » 2018-05-16 19:24

David Foster Wallace, the golden boy of American modern literature. 最近在新闻上看见他的前女友,诗人 Mary Karr,出了回忆录,记述 Wallace 当年殴打虐待恐吓她的历史。我现在才发现原来这些历史并非新闻,原来早就有人报道过,但不仅无损于 Wallace 的名声,甚至成了他的传奇里必不可少的一部分。

https://jezebel.com/mary-karr-reminds-t ... 1825799769
The fact that he abused her is not a revelation; this has been documented and adopted by the literary world as one of Wallace’s character traits. In a 2012 Atlantic interview, David Foster Wallace’s biographer D.T. Max mused that Wallace’s violence contributed to his glory, read: all in all made him “a really fascinating guy.”


不仅是为有些人打老婆的行为感到气愤,I feel humiliated as a woman.

怎么说呢,其实我们一直都很清楚女性在世界上的地位非常狗屎吧?然而当把女性当成狗屎对待是普遍而正常的现象,如果我们不忍气吞声地接受为正常甚至斯德哥尔摩综合症地依附 dominant opinion,恐怕也是没法活下来的。现在么,并不是大家突然发现了突然改变了态度突然如何如何,而是终于想拒绝所谓的正常吧?

当 Black Lives Matter 运动刚出来的时候,我还对自己挺意外的,为啥这么感同身受立刻共情。呵呵。
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Post by Jun » 2018-05-23 11:57

更多女性参选人在民主党初选中脱颖而出,击败男性参选人而进入十一月的中期选举。加油!

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/23/61354422 ... ther-apart

说实话我常常对于进步感到既欣慰又惊恐。Obama 激发的保守派的愤怒和反弹,会不会同样在女性参政潮流中更强烈地爆发出来?然而放弃就完了,我们并没有退路。If you're not at the table, you are ON the table.
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Post by dropby » 2018-05-23 12:04

感慨一下说,虽然我们天天说美国的女权还有很长道路要走,和国内比,那还是非常地进步了,不可以道里计。最近的慰安妇事件吓了我一大跳,完全没有想到新三从四德思想在国内有如此广大的市场。

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Post by Jun » 2018-05-23 13:16

啊呀娃娃宣扬的不是三从四德而是买卖女性肉体从男性身上捞取生存条件。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2018-05-23 13:40

链接,链接。你们到底在说什么?
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Post by 幻儿 » 2018-05-23 14:01

她真是够神奇的,一句话和下一句话没什么关联,也有一大对拥护者。比如上边那个一边讲黑奴女性性别优势,一边讲勿忘国耻,这俩是怎么联系起来的?

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Post by april » 2018-05-23 14:11

据传闻说她也是意识到有一批网红要被封,所以跳出来做最后挣扎,本来是想向主子示好,奈何马屁拍到马脚上,触犯了“民族主义”大忌,反而因此被封了。
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/ ... weibo-over
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2018-05-23 14:15

同学们8得太给力了!8卦要给出处啊。 :heartpump:
她被封了?这是公号还是啥?我很犹豫要不要赞封的好。
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Post by april » 2018-05-23 16:09

上面的链接说她的微博号被关六个月小黑屋。关于传闻那个,我是豆瓣上看来的,不知道他们的消息来源是哪里。。。
https://www.douban.com/people/yangharry ... 163640797/
青(求己)转:内务人民委员部的一间牢房里关了三个人,彼此间谈起坐牢的原因。第一个人说:“我因为反对党委书记彼得罗夫。” 第二个人说:“我因为支持彼得罗夫。” 第三个人说:“我就是彼得罗夫。”
Starling转 : 这个人的观点一直挺讨平权人士厌恶,但依然长期在外界混得风生水起。这次被封杀的理由,很大程度上是因为不慎触犯了天朝民族主义(而这偏偏又是这擅长营销的网红所刻意讨好的),其实这一个颇为讽刺的结果
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Post by putaopi » 2018-05-23 16:16

哇哇理论的核心是把女人的性做为商品,用来交换金钱跟社会地位,一点新意都没有。社会主流口头上宣传了女性独立自主,但在制度上对女性独立生存的空间却不断打压。广大群众觉得哇哇的理论醍醐灌顶,能在现实生活中获取利益,跟教大家抗争环境改变女性待遇的女权运动相比,当然要选easy mode。这和国内大环境下的犬儒主义的盛行是一致的。

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Post by Jun » 2018-05-23 17:04

“是活下来重要还是不被强暴重要?”

“活下来。”

所以在男女都能活下来的社会里,女人就要全民卖身。能卖身就是优势!男人想卖还没人要买哪。拿你的肉体(vagina or uterus) 换取 ... whatever ...

在强权占有全部资源与地位的社会里,斯德哥尔摩综合征成为正常。
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Post by tiffany » 2018-05-23 21:00

但是她被封了... 言论自由还是要有的吧,需要给人当脑残的自由啊,我觉得。

前几天看本律师自传,说宪法修正案第一条不是保障言论自由嘛,所有的法官都至少不会跳出来说直接反对这个言论自由,但是,他们可以说某些话/言论不是言论(speech)。

这个挺悖论的。我最终得出的结论是人民 deserve 他们的政府。
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Post by Jun » 2018-05-23 21:24

tiffany wrote:我最终得出的结论是人民 deserve 他们的政府。
Only in democracy.
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Post by tiffany » 2018-05-23 21:47

我本来是这么觉着的。后来想了想参与群众狂热度,就觉得,都是破锅烂盖儿的标配。
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Post by Knowing » 2018-05-23 23:34

tiffany wrote:我最终得出的结论是人民 deserve 他们的政府。
Don't be a defeatist! I refuse to believe I deserve Trump presidency and I will continue to fight until it comes down.
Jun wrote:
说实话我常常对于进步感到既欣慰又惊恐。Obama 激发的保守派的愤怒和反弹,会不会同样在女性参政潮流中更强烈地爆发出来?然而放弃就完了,我们并没有退路。If you're not at the table, you are ON the table.
不参政只会被整的更惨.还要被小白这样的人说:切, 你们也就配被保守派统治.

我们要相信这只是螺旋式上升进步里小小的一个弯! Obama 激发保守派反弹->川皇激发妇女更大反弹->必须相信历史站在我们这边!
Jun wrote:“是活下来重要还是不被强暴重要?”

“活下来。”

所以在男女都能活下来的社会里,女人就要全民卖身。能卖身就是优势!男人想卖还没人要买哪。拿你的肉体(vagina or uterus) 换取 ... whatever ...

在强权占有全部资源与地位的社会里,斯德哥尔摩综合征成为正常。
这是把强权和资源的关系本末倒置了。因为男性占有强权,女性的身体才是资源。如果男女相对平等,肉体就不会被视为资源。不过是做个爱,双方看对眼儿就做,双双享受,谈何资源。

april wrote:上面的链接说她的微博号被关六个月小黑屋。关于传闻那个,我是豆瓣上看来的,不知道他们的消息来源是哪里。。。
https://www.douban.com/people/yangharry ... 163640797/
青(求己)转:内务人民委员部的一间牢房里关了三个人,彼此间谈起坐牢的原因。第一个人说:“我因为反对党委书记彼得罗夫。” 第二个人说:“我因为支持彼得罗夫。” 第三个人说:“我就是彼得罗夫。”
Starling转 : 这个人的观点一直挺讨平权人士厌恶,但依然长期在外界混得风生水起。这次被封杀的理由,很大程度上是因为不慎触犯了天朝民族主义(而这偏偏又是这擅长营销的网红所刻意讨好的),其实这一个颇为讽刺的结果

希望你们长点心眼下次转国内网站微信豆瓣的文都全文转贴, 每次我早上起来看文昨天你们贴的链接都已经都没了!
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Post by dropby » 2018-05-24 13:05

我觉得民主社会就是小白说的啊,有什么样的人民,就有什么样的政府。你是人民里的少数派那只好受着。Sorry. 不想受着就努力把自己变成多数,让你的对立面受着。

我为什么觉得啊呀娃娃说的是新三从四德呢。因为三从四德的时代现实就是女性没有任何权利。女性一辈子都要依靠一个男人,不从也得从。女性就不是个人,是个东西,可以买卖。哪怕地位最高的正妻,也是”衣服“而已。既然是件衣服,那努力把自己变得最美,主人每天都要穿,离不开,很有逻辑。

在如今这个时代有这么多拥护者把我惊到了觉得很匪夷所思是因为哪怕在中国,如果是要当国家主席(在美国要当总统), 对女性来说还是前无古人很难的一件事,但是只是个人物质生活的满足,靠自己比靠男人可靠多了这个道理,难道不是很明显吗?为啥好好的要不把自己当人,当个物品?就算妈妈们都教育女儿们”干得好不如嫁得好“,小三遍地的社会,女儿们自己不带眼吗?

另外我当然反对封她。反对封一切号,除了造谣的。

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Post by dropby » 2018-05-24 13:08

而且据说她给女性高管开课,每个人收五万,应者云集。 :BloodyK:

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Post by Knowing » 2018-05-25 4:05

说'干得好不如嫁得好' 的人 ,大半自己干的不太好, 也没怎么见过谁干的好.
啊呀娃娃的那套MV PU 跟incel 的变态理论差不多. 低PU 高MV就是incel 们对女人的要求.

Harvey Weinstein 进监狱了.
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Post by vivi » 2018-05-25 8:59

悖论的英文是啥?
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Post by Knowing » 2018-05-25 9:00

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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by Jun » 2018-05-25 9:59

PU=pick up 我知道,MV 是啥?
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Post by Knowing » 2018-05-25 14:44

来, 给你科普一下

http://www.shuolianai.com/thread-727-1-1.html
http://www.shuolianai.com/thread-725-1-1.html
PU=Paternity uncertainty,亲子不确定性,指的是男性潜意识里对后代的不确定感。这种不确定感是由男人生理进化而形成的一种机制,因为男人永远没有办法像女人那样确定孩子毫无疑问是自己的,哪怕是科技发达的今天已经有了鉴定DNA的手段,也无法消除男人的亲子不确定感。PU不完全是由女性决定的,男性本身、两人认识的缘由、相处的状态、孩子的相似性,都参与决定PU值。


MV=MateValue 婚姻市场价值指的是:个人在婚恋市场上能够匹配的伴侣的水准。

在婚恋这个大市场上,每个人都有自己的价值。而婚配,则是严格遵循价值规律的。婚恋市场价值大致上是相对固定的,虽说各花入各眼,但大体上都会有一个总的价值倾向。比如说:一个身高165cm体重90斤C-cup的女生,在市场上受欢迎的程度肯定高于一个身高160cm体重120斤A-cup的女生;一个有房有车身高180cm的男人,在市场上受欢迎的程度肯定高于一个无房无车身高170cm的男人。

MV通俗来讲就是我们买东西关注的质量,PU相当于买卖时的价格。“PU低就是价廉,MV高就是物美。物美价廉才有竞争力,光廉价又什么用!”
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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by tiffany » 2018-05-25 16:40

真恶心!
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Post by dropby » 2018-05-25 18:15

tiffany wrote:真恶心!
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Post by Knowing » 2018-05-27 5:33

对男性也很羞辱。
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Post by Jun » 2018-05-27 10:45

哪怕是科技发达的今天已经有了鉴定DNA的手段,也无法消除男人的亲子不确定感
En...What? 因为男人都跟她一样愚蠢么?Where the fuck did they come up with these theories.

进化论不是这么学的好吗?
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Post by Knowing » 2018-05-29 1:36

是啊,所以说对男人也很羞辱啊。既侮辱智力,也侮辱人格。
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Re: zz: Reflecting On One Very, Very Strange Year At Uber

Post by Jun » 2018-06-06 7:28

大家还记得 Brock Turner 吗?就是斯坦福游泳队的大学生在爬梯上被捉到强奸一个喝醉酒不省人事的女孩子。被法官 Aaron Pesky 非常轻判,法官还表示不想毁了大好青年的远大前程,引发全国女性的愤怒。昨天的加州初选中,Pesky 被 Santa Clara County 的群众 recall 了,加州已经有86年没有 recall 法官。

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... 21de72f964

此 recall 运动受到很多人的反对,包括一些 liberals。反对理由是开了很不好的先例,让其他加州法官都不敢轻判任何罪犯,害怕被 recall。嗯 ... 是是是,群众的愤怒是针对“轻判”这件事,所有的“轻判”裁决都将面对群众的愤怒和 recall。骗谁呢?
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Post by Knowing » 2018-06-06 7:41

撸下来的好。不然全斯坦福谁敢喝醉酒啊。
Brock Turner 可以找川皇求特赦!
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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2018-06-06 8:02

关于对rapists之惩罚,前不久在Hay festival上Germaine Greer “calls for punishment for rape to be reduced” https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/ ... be-reduced 非常令人大跌眼镜。Germaine Greer是70年代著名的女权人士、The Female Eunuch的作者。我看过一个请当代女作者列举对自己影响最大的女权书籍的访谈,其中The Female Eunuch出现了好几次。她的一个很著名的论点是“that men hate women, though the latter do not realise this and are taught to hate themselves”。
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Post by Jun » 2018-06-06 9:01

光看标题可能会感到很奇怪哈,我去看了看报道全文里 Greer 的原话,觉得她是在 being sarcastic and provocative. 她的话值得细想。
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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2018-06-06 10:02

我也读了原文,没看出她在讽刺。
搜了一下,Germaine Greer挑起话题也不是头一次了。她的新书《On Rape》马上就要出了,到时候看看她怎么细说。
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Post by Jun » 2018-06-06 10:28

我也不知道她的真实想法如何,但是有些话让我颇打寒战。
She reminded the silent Hay audience of her own experience when she was 18 and was raped. She was beaten repeatedly by a man telling her “say fuck me” a dozen times. Did she say it? “I don’t think I did, but maybe I did. How would that look on my mobile phone in court saying ‘fuck me’?” Greer did not make a complaint to police.
Is this consent? 一边被殴打一边说,fuck me. 这是 consent 吗?被掐着脖子时说出来的“没关系,我愿意”算不算 consent?如果这是无形的掐脖子呢?如果被洗脑到不把掐脖子当作掐脖子呢?
“Most rapes don’t involve any injury whatsoever,” Greer said. “We are told that it is a sexually violent crime, an expert like Quentin Tarantino will tell us that when you use the word rape you’re talking about violence, a throwing them down... it is one of the most violent crimes in the world. Bullshit Tarantino.
Rape 如果不(仅仅)是被打得鼻青脸肿,胳膊腿儿被死死按住动弹不得,浑身青紫,嗓子喊哑眼睛哭肿而无济于事,那么没有 physical injury 的 rape 是什么?是女人的愿望和意志被掐灭,what a woman wants being overruled by what a man wants. 难怪要说,如果真要把 rape 当成犯罪来起诉,总不能把满大街的男人都关起来。

让我联想到的是GRRM胖大叔在冰火第四第五部里对于 slavery 的探讨。何谓奴隶?当一个人诚心诚意地服从主子,欢喜地接受自己的命运,甚至当上主子的帮凶,那他就是一个真的奴隶了。
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Post by Jun » 2018-07-25 18:12

I can NOT believe this.

Brock Turner 又回来了。他的律师上法庭要求推翻之前有罪的裁决,因为他对失去知觉的女孩子干的事不是 rape 而是 "outercourse"。

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/07/24/ ... arguments/
A lawyer for a former Stanford swimmer whose conviction on sexual assault charges led to the extremely rare recall of a judge tried to convince an appellate court Tuesday to overturn his client’s conviction — on the novel grounds that the athlete wanted “outercourse” with his intoxicated victim, not intercourse.

“Outercourse,” his lawyer Eric S. Multhaup explained to the three poker-faced justices, is sexual contact while fully clothed.
Holy shit. 这样都可以?我想了半分钟才明白 "outercourse" 是啥意思。 Un-fucking-believable.

我忘记在哪儿看到报道说 Turner 的父亲是持续打官司的根源,因为他拒绝接受儿子被判有罪,“一辈子被毁了”的前景。

What the fuck does it TAKE in this world to put away a blue-eyed white boy?
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Post by mirrorflower » 2018-07-25 18:39

md, 他还appeal,有可能能判的更重吗?

刚看到微博上新一轮me too.
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2018-07-25 19:09

看哪个法官敢再轻判吧。
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Post by dropby » 2018-07-25 21:57

叹为观止。这是alternative truth之后的又一大语言学发明?这都两了,很快可以凑够四个了估计。

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Post by april » 2018-07-25 23:44

真是活久见啊!这都是什么人啊?!
推特上骂声一片。有人说,"doesnt this guy look like a future gop senator?" 我一边吐一边觉得说的太对了。
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Post by april » 2018-07-28 3:52

我曾经那么喜欢的醉钢琴,居然变成这副嘴脸了!又惊讶又失望又伤心又愤怒
https://www.douban.com/people/120212440 ... 201411865/
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Post by putaopi » 2018-07-28 20:25

刘瑜把中国的me too比做大鸣大放大字报,做为一个政治学者,说这话非常不负责任。文革时期大鸣大放大字报之所以有杀伤力,是因为背后有国家权力的支持,同样,中世纪的猎巫活动背后有教会的鼓励,中国受害者站出来控诉性侵者根本不是一回事好吗?只能说刘瑜的想法相当僵硬过时了。

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Post by april » 2018-07-28 20:47

我最怒的是她不可能不知道“性侵完全是权力问题,跟两性关系没有半毛钱关系”揣着明白装糊涂在这里混淆是非。豆瓣上有人说“她就是坏”我都没法反驳。太失望了。
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Post by putaopi » 2018-07-28 21:10

我读第一遍的时候还觉得她就是蛮居高临下地要指导大家,又读第二遍的时候真是看不下去的程度啦, 什么要教育自己的女儿不能“坦胸露背”地跟男人见面之类的。

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