[新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

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Post by Elysees » 2020-11-10 15:21

民主党这还没完全transition呢,这就开始吵起来了?我看共和党还一面墙似的,都紧密的站在川皇身边顶住,我太失望了。
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by tiffany » 2020-11-10 15:35

我现在比较想看老川是怎么被抬出白宫的 :mrgreen:

早就有个台湾人介大使说民主政治变成了选举术,也是很让人遗憾的事情。我是觉得美国式民主走到了尽头。
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by dropby » 2020-11-10 16:22

vivi wrote:
2020-11-10 13:56
dropby wrote:
2020-11-10 12:28
vivi wrote:
2020-11-09 22:46
川皇到底有没有可能闹到高院啊?你们真的不担心吗?
这个我倒是一点都不担心。
你对美国的民主制度真有信心。我的信心在过去4年里都磨的差不多了。
大选前朋友间就开玩笑说美国一半人觉得川普胜选是世界末日,一半人觉得川普败选是世界末日。无论选举结果如何,反正都有一半人的人世界末日了。 :mrgreen:

我是一直觉得无论谁上台都不是世界末日,但是川普胜选会对美国破坏更彻底,更加积重难返。现在拜登毫无疑义赢了的情况下,如果川普还能翻盘,那就真的是世界末日了,因为美国民主制度的基石完全不存。这么点信心我还是有的。

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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by vivi » 2020-11-10 16:41

看见Pompeo说的了吗?some scary shit going on.

“ BREAKING: trumps legal advisor for his election lawsuits doesn’t have a law degree. Or even a bachelor’s degree. He does have covid, though.” :f16:
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Post by 豪情 » 2020-11-10 17:13

:mrgreen:
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Post by simonsun » 2020-11-10 19:16

Tweet from @CaminoTexas

川普律師團:私人律師Giuliani和Sekulow, 佛羅里達前檢察長Bondi; Flynn的律師Powell。

拜登律師團:競選團隊律師 Remus, 前白宮律師Bauer, 司法部前部長Holder,司法部前副總檢察長Verrilli和Dellinger。

2000小布什的律師團:現最高法院法官Roberts, Kavanaugh, Barrett,現參議員Cruz。
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-11-10 20:01

谁让他老赖律师费的。
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Post by 豪情 » 2020-11-10 20:42

而且老坐牢
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Post by Jun » 2020-11-10 21:53

simonsun wrote:
2020-11-10 19:16
Tweet from @CaminoTexas

川普律師團:私人律師Giuliani和Sekulow, 佛羅里達前檢察長Bondi; Flynn的律師Powell。

拜登律師團:競選團隊律師 Remus, 前白宮律師Bauer, 司法部前部長Holder,司法部前副總檢察長Verrilli和Dellinger。

2000小布什的律師團:現最高法院法官Roberts, Kavanaugh, Barrett,現參議員Cruz。
This is Bush's world. We just live in it.


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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by Elysees » 2020-11-11 15:51

GA说要重数了,手工重数....川普团队是对人工有什么误解,认为机器更不准确么?
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Post by lucoco » 2020-11-11 22:20

这次大选跟新冠一样,来了就不走了,还越演越烈。
我是越来越绝望, 原以为Biden 赢了还有点希望,现在看来美国已经积重难返了, 谁做总统都挡不住这个颓势。。。
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Post by Jun » 2020-11-11 22:35

For the first time in 27 years I have no idea what's going to happen next. 家属坚持说不会有事的,新总统接任不需要前总统认输。但是我每次打开推都是一片尖叫惊呼和哀嚎,吓死人。
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-11-11 23:41

我死猪不怕开水烫,反正我也不能干什么。
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Post by Elysees » 2020-11-12 0:06

我很想资深人士出来给我们讲解一下,这件事往下发展到底谁能够call这个结果?
我记得之前是谁分享了一篇,大意是如果有争论出现的时候,靠的其实是参与双方的共识,整个选举制度并没有一个真正的机构可以出来一锤定音。难道川皇是几百年来第一次挑战的人?等等,当时小布什和戈尔斗起来是高院裁决的,现在高院是否公正啊...我吐血,简直没玩没了了。拜登团队已经开始进入transition,然而白宫死扛着不transition,简直是国际大笑话....
可怕的是共和党内部其实大部分人都在沉默,只有非常少的几个(好像是4个?)的共和党议员出来祝贺了拜登。所以不要光说是川皇本人独裁了,现在是整个共和党都站在背后,那些说共和党要跟他切割的人,太天真了。
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Post by Elysees » 2020-11-12 0:18

我还有一个好奇的地方,那7千万支持者里面,每一个都是不清醒的么?就没有人意识到(我觉得至少应该有相当部分的人是清醒的才对啊),现在这种局面是不正常的?
我最早的时候看川普被提问你如果输了怎么样,他拒绝回答,说我不会输的。就觉得这本身是一个很可怕的信号啊,所有给他投票的人,都抱有绝对不会输,如果输了也要硬抗着不认输的精神?都没觉得这跟整个民主选举制度的相悖的地方?
我要生气了,早知道这样,四年前咱们何必让步,跟他们死扛到底啊,好歹还有popular vote的优势呢!
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-11-12 1:10

七千万支持者很清醒地要白人至上。不要一个黑墨黄为主体的美国。川普的支持者一直都说川普很真性情,很直率,这就是说川普把他们不好意思说的话都说出来了。共和党人只要还想从政的,就不会和七千万选票做切割。
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Post by Knowing » 2020-11-12 3:39

我忘了是纽时还是华盛顿时报,有张时间表,各个州必须certificate election result 的时间差不多就是十一月二十号到月底之间,之后是选举人团。。法定程序是在哪儿的,一步步走,兵来将挡水来土掩。对方能做的就是transition 期间不配合不release 应该给的资源(经费,办公室,国安情报),拜登的班子都对熟悉的很,不至于把他们难死。

现在mitch 需要川皇帮助乔治亚州的两个run off. 不敢得罪川皇。但是mitch 是个政治动物,不是个暴力革命首领,他能掌控的权力是靠参议员们。共和党参议员里,Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski 已经表态接受拜登当选,即使乔治亚两个席位都到手保持多数,Mitch 也没有能力把共和党参议员拧成一条绳最终阻碍拜登。最迟等一月份run off 之后mitch会转过来, 不转过来也没有杀伤力。

川皇那边,这些天的筹款已经开始偷偷导向一个新的super pac , 这是个征兆说明在为下台后的活动准备经费。说明至少他的团队(和他)在milk the situation but prepare for the eventual outcome.
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Post by simonsun » 2020-11-12 4:18

分析得很有道理!这次民主党众院输了一大把,参院本来民调看着形势大好,结果也是空欢喜一场。
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by Jun » 2020-11-12 7:24

Elysees wrote:
2020-11-12 0:18
我还有一个好奇的地方,那7千万支持者里面,每一个都是不清醒的么?就没有人意识到(我觉得至少应该有相当部分的人是清醒的才对啊),现在这种局面是不正常的?
我最早的时候看川普被提问你如果输了怎么样,他拒绝回答,说我不会输的。就觉得这本身是一个很可怕的信号啊,所有给他投票的人,都抱有绝对不会输,如果输了也要硬抗着不认输的精神?都没觉得这跟整个民主选举制度的相悖的地方?
我要生气了,早知道这样,四年前咱们何必让步,跟他们死扛到底啊,好歹还有popular vote的优势呢!
四年前没有让步,没办法争的,美国的总统大选就是不看 popular vote。过去三十年里共和党候选人只有一次赢得过 popular vote,其它都输掉,但是不妨碍他们一个又一个地当选。

支持川皇的选民明明白白地告诉世界他们不支持民主制度,他们只想自己人专制。这个自己人么,就是笑嘻嘻说的,白男。如果自己人能一统江湖千秋万代,谁 TM 要民主哇,至少七千多万美国选民不要。我不知道他们要怎么坦白,其它人才能接受这个现实——美国早就,划掉,从来也不那么民主啊。

If fascism is the only way for "me" to keep my power, the power "I" have enjoyed for centuries, "I" choose fascism. 本来就是身份政治啊,骂别人骂得最响的那些人,就是搞身份政治搞得最起劲的那些。
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Post by simonsun » 2020-11-12 15:55

American horror story :mrgreen:

Tweets from @whstancil

For people asking why Dems are so gloomy, here's the baseline scenario for the next eight years of American government. It's a nightmare:

2021:
-Recession
-COVID
-Gridlock in Congress
-GOP-run statehouses gerrymanders new congressional districts with Trump's disrupted Census
-SCOTUS strikes down Biden executive orders, begins rolling back reproductive rights, civil rights, etc.

2022:
-Dems lose House in midterms, assisted by gerrymandering
-GOP holds Senate in midterms
-GOP state control increases as gerrymandering is intensified nationwide

2023:
-Debt ceiling showdowns
-Government shutdowns
-SCOTUS now emboldened to strike down almost all executive branch regulation through nondelegation changes
-Any Supreme Court or lower court vacancies from previous four years held open by GOP, no seats filled from here on out

2024:
-Presidential election, likely Dem win in popular vote, likely GOP win in electoral college
-Terrible Dem Senate map, additional seats lost
-GOP holds House
-Many, many GOP state trifectas
-Veto-proof state GOP majorities built on popular vote minorities

2025:
-McConnell or successor fills SCOTUS vacancies, 7-2 court plausible
-McConnell or successor ends legislative filibuster
-New GOP president (Trump again? Carlson?) safely ignores federal law for appointments, emoluments, etc.
-Integrity of elections seriously threatened

2026:
-First chance for Dems to retake House, but outcome uncertain because the party faces restricted elections and extreme gerrymandering
-Mediocre Senate map leaves Senate out of reach

2027:
-Potential conflict between Dem House and GOP administration, but most oversight tools have been eliminated in the Trump administration
-More judges confirmed, judiciary 80%+ GOP

2028:
-First chance for Dem trifecta
-Must win gerrymandered House
-Must win unrepresentative Senate
-Must win skewed electoral college
-Must overcome likely 7-2 SCOTUS
-Must overcome massively gerrymandered state legislatures
-Any narrow win likely contested using 2020 precedent

At this point:
-Total GOP control of judiciary
-Civil rights law gone
-EPA gone
-Most regulation gone
-Voting Rights Act gone
-Abortion largely illegal
-Financial reg gone
-Health care expansion impossible
-Inequality up
-Tax code massively favors wealthy

After 2028, who knows? It's hard to guess at that point. But even if Dems get a chance to govern again this decade - and they might well not, this cycle could repeat another decade - they'll likely be presiding over a broken country, with corruption rampant and democracy stifled.

And please note: this scenario is robust to Dems having huge popular majorities.

It's perfectly plausible that, in 2028, Dems will have won virtually every popular vote for the past 30 years, but have controlled the government for just one brief 2-year stretch: 2008-2010.
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Post by Jun » 2020-11-12 16:08

这种预测我觉得没有什么意思,跟民生也没有直接关联。说到底还是经济怎么样,国家管理怎么样,人民生活怎么样。我们普通百姓又不是民主党或共和党领导人,谁能掌握权力以及多久,不是第一优先关心的事情。美国政治里的党派身份并没有那么固定,就算是很关心政治的知识分子也可以随时挪屁股,改变所属党派。大部分人的立场是根据理念而归类的,并不是根据党派而站队。

劳工阶层最关心的当然是日子过得好不好,个体对自己的生活有没有控制感。如果经济政策一直向1%倾斜,国库继续被掏空,福利制度崩溃,人民生活水平一路下降,后代上不起大学,权力更集中在白男手中,群众自然会 vote with their feet。如果帝国持续倒塌,各人各找出路,早做打算就是了。

历史的浪潮,个人无法控制,只能尽量随机应变,能减少损失就减少损失,而已。如果墙倒不幸被砸中,那也是命,没啥好说的。可以提前做一些准备,但是没必要让自己控制不了的事情控制了正常生活和心理健康。到2028年天晓得每个人都在哪里在干啥,有孩子的可能还会想得远一点,没后代的人 cannot find it in my heart to give a damn. 世界上一切的牵挂都是暂时的,随时可以 kaput。

We have to see its leaders as representative of the country and its people, in more ways than one. It's bullshit to claim that bad leaders do not represent the people but good ones do. A large enough number of American people have told us over and over that they are Trump at heart, and who are we to disbelieve them?
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Post by Elysees » 2020-11-13 1:23

Comedian们都在疯狂创作,笑,说真的,如果我不是住在美国,真的觉得这是个极搞笑的事件。Vir Das(大概是在印度?)讲了一段儿

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coFDdE6U0Xw
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-11-13 2:22

太逗了!!! :mrgreen:
&%¥@#,怎么选下去了Trump,全世界还在看美国笑话。
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Post by Knowing » 2020-11-13 4:17

看笑话怕啥。只要不是全世界看美国内战就好。 :mrgreen:
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-11-13 4:21

这个,美国要内战,可不全世界围观。不会有人敢进来拉偏架吧?反正离得远打不到自己头上。
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Post by Knowing » 2020-11-13 5:43

所有被引导去“Official Election Defense Fund”网站的捐款,八千美金之下都是去周一新成立的tump super pac “save america” 和共和党委员会RNC,超过八千的才有部分进入为选举重数和诉讼设立的”recount account”
这个消息希望赶紧跟你们嚷着要打官司的川粉传播一下,没捐够八千的赶紧去补一下,至少也要捐个小一万,不然打官司缺钱就太不好了

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa- ... NKBN27R30B


纽约时报反射弧超长的终于call 了AZ。还像模像样登在首页。哎呦吗他们不说我都忘了这茬。 是听说狐狸台call AZ 太早导致川皇龙颜大怒之后害怕了一直不敢call 么?

川皇现在很生狐狸台的气。号召粉丝去Newsmax 和 Oann.
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Post by Jun » 2020-11-13 8:19

笑嘻嘻 wrote:
2020-11-13 4:21
这个,美国要内战,可不全世界围观。不会有人敢进来拉偏架吧?反正离得远打不到自己头上。
如果打内战,全世界都呵呵,加拿大可以考虑一下乘虚而入重演1812年战争(加拿大打赢了),把东北部和西北部都占了。
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Post by Knowing » 2020-11-13 8:21

啧啧,you wish! 你们这些自由派肯定敲锣打鼓欢迎加拿大来侵略吧,不是动不动就说这日子没法过了要搬到加拿大去么。干脆加拿大搬过来你就省心省事儿了,直接上小美家四菜一汤也不担心过不了国境线了。
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Post by Jun » 2020-11-13 8:29

Knowing wrote:
2020-11-13 8:21
啧啧,you wish! 你们这些自由派肯定敲锣打鼓欢迎加拿大来侵略吧,不是动不动就说这日子没法过了要搬到加拿大去么。干脆加拿大搬过来你就省心省事儿了,直接上小美家四菜一汤也不担心过不了国境线了。
啧啧,你何必把话说得那么直白呢? :super:

如果能蹭到小美家的四菜一汤,我天天给她洗碗。
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Post by dropby » 2020-11-13 10:06

Jun wrote:
2020-11-13 8:19
笑嘻嘻 wrote:
2020-11-13 4:21
这个,美国要内战,可不全世界围观。不会有人敢进来拉偏架吧?反正离得远打不到自己头上。
如果打内战,全世界都呵呵,加拿大可以考虑一下乘虚而入重演1812年战争(加拿大打赢了),把东北部和西北部都占了。
我们才不要乘虚而入。我们就等着西北部和东北部跟加拿大接壤的几个州主动投怀送抱就行了。奸笑。

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Post by Knowing » 2020-11-13 11:18

真相了!!!!难怪你一直这么关心美国政治, 原来早已暗暗挑好了几个州视为禁脔!!!!
Nevertheless, she persisted.

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Post by Elysees » 2020-11-13 15:05

哎,我们肯定是第一批被归入加拿大的嘛...可惜我之前还费那么大功夫申请了Nexus,想想直接等人接收就好了嘛 :f20: :f20: :f20:
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Post by Knowing » 2020-11-15 9:22

川皇承认输了,虽然是因为作弊!



Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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2h
He won because the Election was Rigged. NO VOTE WATCHERS OR OBSERVERS allowed, vote tabulated by a Radical Left privately owned company, Dominion, with a bad reputation & bum equipment that couldn’t even qualify for Texas (which I won by a lot!), the Fake & Silent Media, & more!
Nevertheless, she persisted.

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Post by tiffany » 2020-11-16 8:48

有么?不是人刚 twitter 官宣赢了
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Post by Knowing » 2020-11-16 10:12

他每天都那么宣布,然后被推特盖个巨大的‘这是谎言’的戳。
推特早宣布过,川皇卸任后就不受‘公众人物不封号’的保护了。大概憋着打算封他。
Nevertheless, she persisted.

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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2020-11-16 10:33

Trump不是号召他的跟随者去parler吗?Parler目前还无法Twitter竞争,但是,不远的将来社交媒体真的有可能一分为二(三?四?)变成各自的echo chamber。
Ultimately, happiness comes down to choosing between the discomfort of becoming aware of your mental afflictions and the discomfort of being ruled by them. -- Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche

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Post by lucoco » 2020-11-16 10:34

Knowing wrote:
2020-11-16 10:12
他每天都那么宣布,然后被推特盖个巨大的‘这是谎言’的戳。
推特早宣布过,川皇卸任后就不受‘公众人物不封号’的保护了。大概憋着打算封他。
感觉川皇最desprate 的不是输了大选,是收视率下降了,过气了。 没啥媒体再围着他转,大家都move on 了, 这不能忍啊。
一个人的性格决定他的命运。

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Post by lucoco » 2020-11-16 10:35

唐唐的郁金香 wrote:
2020-11-16 10:33
Trump不是号召他的跟随者去parler吗?Parler目前还无法Twitter竞争,但是,不远的将来社交媒体真的有可能一分为二(三?四?)变成各自的echo chamber。
所以internet 并没有能够connect people, 而是further divide people。跟race, gender etc 还不太一样, 很有意思的课题。
一个人的性格决定他的命运。

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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2020-11-16 10:36

lucoco wrote:
2020-11-16 10:34
感觉川皇最desprate 的不是输了大选,是收视率下降了,过气了。 没啥媒体再围着他转,大家都move on 了, 这不能忍啊。
那才好呢。但是,我悲观地说,相信阴谋论的那么多,反智反科学的那么多,美国政坛的populism不会就此消失的。
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Post by dropby » 2020-11-16 10:51

唐唐的郁金香 wrote:
2020-11-16 10:33
Trump不是号召他的跟随者去parler吗?Parler目前还无法Twitter竞争,但是,不远的将来社交媒体真的有可能一分为二(三?四?)变成各自的echo chamber。
肯定的。现在就算在同一平台,其实大家也都是各玩各的。我很久不去川粉群玩了。川普输了以后,川粉群各种谣言层出不穷,辟不胜辟,而且辟也没用,能传这么无脑谣言的人,根本就是跟邪教一样了。我脑子有病去跟邪教的人辟谣。

以前jun有个很长的贴子讲internet divide people,我记得我当时还挺不同意的。现在得说还是jun有先见之明啊。

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Post by Knowing » 2020-11-16 12:13

辟谣干嘛,我都表示看上去特别有道理,打官司必胜,鼓励他们捐钱给川皇打官司。多捐点! :smile-big:
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Post by dropby » 2020-11-16 13:00

Knowing wrote:
2020-11-16 12:13
辟谣干嘛,我都表示看上去特别有道理,打官司必胜,鼓励他们捐钱给川皇打官司。多捐点! :smile-big:
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Post by vivi » 2020-11-16 13:28

不是有个exit poll说55%的白女选了TRump(这个可能很不准,因为是根据in person voting算的)。后来我查了查发现美国妇女college毕业的好像只有23%还是32%。
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Post by 幻儿 » 2020-11-16 15:14

我才看了AOC代表的激进派 和 这次大选中失去席位的民主党前议员以及温和派的争论。
激进派说:我们要兑现对选民的承诺。要更好的campaign,比如在网络上,来对抗共和党的宣传。我们要坚持在种族/环境等问题上的理念,这是道德问题。
温和派说:我们要现实一点,要保住多数席位就要听swing state的选民的意见,比如他们非常反对defund the police,而且我们民主党本来也只是改革,不是要defund,这种口号就是错的,我们必须澄清。总之如果没有多数席位,说什么都没用,执行不了。

共和党十年前就已经吵过了,温和派被茶党代表的激进右派打败。不知道民主党会怎么办。

另外这次争论中,AOC说党内对她这种激进派非常敌视,她说她可能因此退出政坛。我非常反感她这么讲话,你是威胁谁吗?批评你你就不干了?在党内受这么点挫折就要退出?看看你的前辈们吧,Bernie Sanders, 希拉里,Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, 谁不是饱受批评和非议?She persisted. They persisted!

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Post by dropby » 2020-11-16 15:28

我弱弱地说,被批评就不干了也许是她的真心话呢。她受到的攻击的确比她的前辈都多啊。我认识的左派里对她不以为然的比例也非常高呀。我自己都是最近才从黑转浅粉的。从政非常需要勇气,尤其现在任何竞选都远远超过马丁吐温竞选州长里的dirty程度,而且选完了也一直都要面对四面八方各种打击。任何人打退堂鼓我都可以理解。更何况AOC现在人气那么高,随便干点啥不能有自己的美好生活啊。Persist只能用来要求自己,不能用来要求别人。

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Post by vivi » 2020-11-16 15:30

看到这个笑话 :worthy:

Biden should start his inaugural speech by saying, “Well, that was weird.”

AOC还年轻,还不能要求她和身经百战的政客一样成熟。有句老话说,热情比经验肯重要,因为热情更年轻。
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Post by Knowing » 2020-11-16 16:26

让她退呗。退了发现更加什么都干不成就回来了。
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Post by tiffany » 2020-11-16 16:43

vivi wrote:
2020-11-16 15:30
看到这个笑话 :worthy:

Biden should start his inaugural speech by saying, “Well, that was weird.”
我很想推荐诞总那个:我还是低估了 2020 年那个段子给他
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Post by Elysees » 2020-11-16 17:27

周末不是dc搞了一场大游行支持川总嘛,看推特上说他还开车出来跟民众致意了一下。我好焦虑啊,这个人他不仅不认输,还鼓动分裂.....在这种时候!如果这么持续下去,怎么搞Inauguration啊?总得有机构出来协调新总统啊。
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我忍不住想了一下,如果今年的疫情是把川总选下去必付的代价,那还算值得么?
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Post by Jun » 2020-11-16 18:27

Elysees wrote:
2020-11-16 17:27
我忍不住想了一下,如果今年的疫情是把川总选下去必付的代价,那还算值得么?
让我想起不知在哪儿看到的话:Why do some people have to suffer for other people's actions? 总之就是世界上并无天理的意思。
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