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Post by vivi » 2020-03-04 9:39

大家是真的吃准了Bernie赢不了川皇?
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Post by Jun » 2020-03-04 9:49

vivi wrote:
2020-03-04 9:39
大家是真的吃准了Bernie赢不了川皇?
一方面是有很多人认为 Bernie 大选没希望(然而更多的人认为女的没希望),另一方面是 Bernie 其实得罪了很多人,但是他的基本盘特别铁,声势浩大。
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Post by dropby » 2020-03-04 10:13

我很悲观地觉得川普要连任了。

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Post by Knowing » 2020-03-04 10:25

你不是一直很悲观的认为川皇要连任嘛?
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Post by lucoco » 2020-03-04 10:53

真是丧。
we need new stories.
这两天在听harari 的 21 lessons for 21st-century 有感。
一个人的性格决定他的命运。

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Knowing wrote:
2020-03-04 10:25
你不是一直很悲观的认为川皇要连任嘛?
我有一阵幻想杨安泽能出线。

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Post by Knowing » 2020-03-04 12:39

杨安泽都drop out 好几个礼拜了,你反射弧真长。
放心吧,老白直男拜登才是美国人民喜闻乐见的。川皇要完。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-03-04 13:34

我是这样鼓励自己的。16年大选前,Louis C.K.(先不说他后面被指控性骚扰) 说,你要是民主党,但是因为不喜欢希拉里,大选不投票,你就是A******.

所以无论初选谁胜出,我都会去投票地。
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Post by vivi » 2020-03-04 13:39

民主党这两天一下子在拜登身边抱团,脸变的够快的。年轻人投票率还是低,红小兵不给力啊。我觉得拜登赢川皇还是有可能的,Bernie有点儿可怜,他真是有热情。不过现在到底谁被提名还不好说是吧?
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-03-04 13:42

也几乎可以和拜登抗衡了,所以也比从前强了吧?我记得布什年代的大选,就是一群白老头在台上,Bernie 一点缝隙都没有。
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Post by Jun » 2020-03-04 13:46

Bernie 不是在加州得票最多吗?我有点怀疑投他票的人未必会在大选里投民主党。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-03-04 13:48

为啥?
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Post by Jun » 2020-03-04 14:04

笑嘻嘻 wrote:
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为啥?
据说好像有些川粉对川皇未曾兑现某些诺言(煤矿工人?)而不满,所以转信 Bernie。
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Post by vivi » 2020-03-04 14:06

因为Bernie的base有这个口碑,当年宁愿选川皇也不选Hillary。
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Post by Jun » 2020-03-04 14:09

对对,Bernie 的基本盘里有很多经济上偏左但文化上偏右的红脖男,外号 Bernie Bros.
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Post by 豪情 » 2020-03-04 14:16

vivi wrote:
2020-03-04 14:06
因为Bernie的base有这个口碑,当年宁愿选川皇也不选Hillary。
是的,bernie分走民主党票基所以民主党都怕他,赶紧团结在拜登周围。不过如果他真赢了提名,估计大佬们也会像共和党建制派对川普那样能屈能伸。

两党现在都是民粹主义抬头。
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Post by Knowing » 2020-03-04 14:17

主要是pete buttigieg 太识做,分析数据知道自己在super tuesday 没戏,果断退出。让amy klobuchar 觉得不能不见贤思齐,也退出支持Biden. moderate 选民突然没得挑了。
彭博今天也宣布退出了。哎嘛,五个亿白砸了
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Post by Jun » 2020-03-04 14:21

我得去问问家属这个 delegates 投票是怎么分的,之前 Buttigieg 赢得的 delegates 能不能被他指挥在党代会都投给 Biden,还是看他们每个人的心情。

另外有谣言说 Bernie 得到俄国势力的幕后支持 (for whatever reason),他们鼓动共和党选民跨界到民主党的初选里投票给 Bernie,希望搅局成功。
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Post by 豪情 » 2020-03-04 14:24

warren也很坚持不退,分bernie票基。其实华尔街更害怕懂行的她而不是嚷嚷的bernie.
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Post by vivi » 2020-03-04 14:32

我不能理解彭薄是啥心理?钱太多了?他真心觉得他有希望吗?有人说杨就是出来混个政治资本,脸熟,然后给自己找个好工作。他是不是要选纽约市长?
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Post by Jun » 2020-03-04 14:35

彭博其实早有竞选总统的野心(无他,ego 耳),但他的立场离现在的共和党选民太远了,民主党选民又不买账。

川普上去后,美国大亨们个个跃跃欲试,都觉得自己比他强多了,他能当总统我为什么不行?
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-03-04 14:48

醒醒吧,川皇是网红,不是大亨。
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Post by vivi » 2020-03-04 14:59

真的 :lol:
记者问彭,你要被提名就变成两个亿万大亨之战了,彭回答说还有一个是谁啊?
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笑嘻嘻 wrote:
2020-03-04 14:48
醒醒吧,川皇是网红,不是大亨。
笑嘻嘻一语中的。 :worthy:

其实除了彭博之前就有另一个大亨在民主党初选里搅混水,Tom Steyer。不过他实在没有知名度。
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Post by dropby » 2020-03-04 15:15

杨一退出我就知道了啊。但是我也一直不希望最后真的就是拜登和三德子对决啊。这两我觉得对上川都没戏。

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Post by Knowing » 2020-03-04 15:44

凭良心说,彭博一直为progressive cause 做了很多事,支持控枪和气候变化的各级候选人成果显著。大众不关心的地方竞选他肯关心砸钱。作为金主他是一个三观正效率高的好金主。
然而他的缺点也很明显,多年霸道总裁自我膨胀,不但不懂如何讨好选民,而且根本不觉得有必要吸引选民。他觉得我都把自己放在你们面前了条件那么好你们还犹豫啥?砸钱没有干不成的事儿尤其我是一个这么赞的管理者,懂得如何砸钱雇最好的人来替我做事儿,再给他们无穷尽的预算,那是妥妥的必胜!然而政治和捧流行音乐歌手一样,群众口味很难完全掌控。当制作人当的好捧谁红谁,不表示你亲自上台唱歌也能红。他试图复制竞选纽约市长时的菜单(当时他砸了一个亿美元,前所未闻),算不到全美选民口味不如纽约市选民容易摸对。

小豪说的对,华尔街怕沃伦超过怕桑德斯。我一直怀疑彭博是在沃伦人气最旺的时候觉得其他moderate 都不行怕她成功才下决心参选的。看了看历史数据,沃伦的民调在十月中达到顶峰离拜登之差几个百分点,彭博在十一月初宣布在为参选做准备工作。可以猜想前者触发了后者。

讽刺意味的是砸了那么多钱买广告推高民调支持率,终于登场辩论时被沃伦攻击的无还手之力,事后被人说是wizard of oz 拉开帷幕。

沃伦公开在辩论中说2012年她参议院竞选时彭博砸钱支持她的对手scott brown. 彭博则公开说她scary。

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Post by dropby » 2020-03-05 10:44

沃伦退选了。所以就是拜登和三德子对决了是吧?哎,美国不管谁当选,都是老人治国了。我觉得应该修改宪法,给总统候选人定个年龄上限。

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Post by vivi » 2020-03-05 13:28

老白男人,虽然三德丝技术上是犹太人。在美国非基督徒候选人的胜算率和女性候选人不知道哪个更低?
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Post by Jun » 2020-03-05 13:32

这还用问?女性永远在底层。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-03-05 14:45

就是。当然是女性排最底层。在工作环境中就是。
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Post by putaopi » 2020-03-05 16:51

我喜欢的Andrew Yang 和 Warren 都退了,对剩下的两个老头没什么兴趣。包括大选一直就是两个白老头的脸,懒得看。

不过,anyone is better than Trump.

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Post by Knowing » 2020-03-05 17:09

我的职业环境里女性很少(不算前台秘书人事部,少于10%),但是黑人几乎没有。可以说没有。我不记得有过黑人同事。所有非要比黑人和女人谁处境更艰难,看用什么指标,
我很喜欢kamala harris 说的一段话,不是她的原创,但是她讲的很好:在平权运动中我们都知道,不要比惨。we don’t compare struggles. 比惨没有建设性。平权运动的力量来自建立联盟,而比惨恰好削弱了这种力量。我们应该分享了解每个个体的挣扎和历史,不是要比谁受的苦最多,而是为了寻找共同之处,团结斗争,作为一个运动才有力量,没有人应该被扔下单打独斗。

https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-r ... 4115141626

从政治上来说,这次初选比2016年在性别方面其实进步很大,HRC经历几乎可以算是特例,而kamala harris, liz warren, amy klobuchar, 各方面都是相当solid 的候选人,她们在辩论舞台上表现都很出色,我衷心觉得受鼓舞。是的她们的性别仍然是吃亏的,但是她们站在那里,底下有无数小姑娘默默受到正面榜样的鼓励。如果再回想一下2008年HRC需要counter 的很多性别成见,女性领导人情绪不稳定,外交军事大决定上不可信赖,已经被破解掉很多了。

今天我最喜欢的warren 退出竞选,但是她说,她不泄气。十年前她是个教授声嘶力竭为经济制度中的不公嚷嚷,没人听。现在全国都在讨论。我不继续竞选总统,但是我会继续斗争。有记者问你觉得性别使你吃亏了吗?她说:这怎么回答呢。我说有,马上会被指责为哼哼唧唧的抱怨狂。我说没有,数百万妇女会说你在说什么?

我想起那时她一手建立CPA 却被共和党参议员刁难不肯通过她的任命提名,她主动对奥巴马说,那我退下,你提别人吧,保护消费者机构早日运行更重要。两年后她当选了麻州参议员。

悲观的说,生命还长,我们活一天就受一天现有制度的压迫,所以不是我们打算躺到放弃不斗争就可以不斗争的。乐观的说,我们今天享有的一切权利,没有一项是我们自己的劳动果实,都是前辈长期斗争的成果,那么我们现在所做的一切,即使失败即使一时半会看不到成果,就当为将来的女性谋福利,pay it forward。
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Post by april » 2020-03-05 17:41

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Post by putaopi » 2020-03-05 18:14

是的是的,本来很低落的情绪被小K的话振奋起来,还是要奋力挣扎把川普选下去。我认识的人在组织捐款推动红州的民主党竞选人参加州内选举,可以努力的地方有不少呢。

今天看到Andrew Yang 成立了non-profit 组织,在纽约州小镇发钱实验UBI, 是一个好消息。从前他一上媒体就被问为什么Alt right 的人支持他,左派们总是说不信任他。其实我一直觉得他是特别progressive 的,起码可以跟Warren和Sanders 比肩。。

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Post by Jun » 2020-03-05 19:00

原则上同意无需比惨,但是我觉得互相了解一下权力集团是怎样统治无权大众的,dominant group 是怎样建立歧视系统的,how the system is set up against someone,对彼此都有好处,增加互相理解同情,也更加理解自己的处境。黑人被种族隔离,经济隔离,教育隔离,几百年的惨史和 Jim Crow 的现代历史,这都是明处的歧视和压迫,只要愿意去看,想知道很容易。对于女性的歧视和压迫深入到全社会的脑子和骨髓里,包括女性自己,浑然不觉,视而不见,我觉得隐形的内化的歧视和压迫更可怕,因为它更难斗。

比惨未必会导致互相倾轧,互相倾轧的根本原因还是媚上的人性和对权力的驯服。当然这本身也是一种生存方式,尤其是跟当权者争夺权力时,自己处于劣势,不免希望渺茫,不如 punch downward 踩比自己更低的人容易满足。可惜这种满足感是虚幻的,跟无权者争取权力,你能争取到啥?跟当权者争取权力,才能争来真正的权力。
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Jun wrote:
2020-03-05 19:00
互相了解一下权力集团是怎样统治无权大众的,dominant group 是怎样建立歧视系统的,how the system is set up against someone,对彼此都有好处,增加互相理解同情,也更加理解自己的处境。黑人被种族隔离,经济隔离,教育隔离,几百年的惨史和 Jim Crow 的现代历史,这都是明处的歧视和压迫,只要愿意去看,想知道很容易。对于女性的歧视和压迫深入到全社会的脑子和骨髓里,包括女性自己,浑然不觉,视而不见,我觉得隐形的内化的歧视和压迫更可怕,因为它更难斗。
我完全同意应该互相了解,只要不是抱着‘我世界上最惨你们算什么’的presumption 去看别人的历史就是有益的。但是我不同意‘只要愿意去看,想知道很容易’。‘愿意去看’是个非常大的'只要‘。要其他群体‘愿意’来看,得先有本群体的人把故事讲出来,讲到别人的圈子里听得见。

对女性的压迫也算不上隐形,只不过从小开始洗脑normalize 了。这跟阶级压迫一样的。很容易就归结为“这就是命”。要counter 这个,站出来讲让女性自己认识到是第一步,接着是改变社会对norm 的定义,肯定不是一天能做到的,必须一代代接力,等积累到一定程度,anita hill, metoo, 往前推进。
Nevertheless, she persisted.

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Post by Jun » 2020-03-06 14:13

Knowing wrote:
2020-03-06 8:57
要counter 这个,站出来讲让女性自己认识到是第一步,接着是改变社会对norm 的定义,肯定不是一天能做到的,必须一代代接力,等积累到一定程度,anita hill, metoo, 往前推进。
这个完全同意。读了一点点历史的结果是终于明白了,原来世界的进步既不是直线也不是螺旋的,都是一点一点斗争出来抠出来的。斗争了未必能进步,但不斗争一定会退步。
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by 幻儿 » 2020-03-06 14:16

是的!!!我现在真的对于性别歧视,或者说主流对女性权益的不care,深恶痛绝,而且这种现象是如此常见,简直吐槽无力。

比如前不久去苹果总部开会,来了好几个人讲了很多苹果的企业价值观,如何要做到最好,用户体验最重。他们办公室各种细节设计也要赏心悦目,什么意大利进口的椅子皮,哪哪儿进口的木头和大理石,极其奢华。至于产品,不光是产品本身每个细节精雕吸啄,甚至是包装盒,也要做到盒盖自然降落是5秒中,不是3秒不是10秒,必须是5秒!

然后中间休息我去泵奶。泵奶室极其简陋,有个桌子有个椅子,电源插座在桌子后面的墙的底部。我找了半天才找到。我只能先把桌子搬开,蹲下插电源。一边搬桌子我一边气不打一处来。换一个时间地方我可能还不会生气,但是他们刚刚才说了公司对细节要求多么高,设计对于公司多么重要,可泵奶室就这个样!把电源放在桌子上面很难吗?一点不难。就是不care嘛。都给你泵奶室了,你还要啥?我不要啥,我就要平等而已。
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by vivi » 2020-03-06 14:21

看到一个推说,如果你都不会选一个女人,就请你不要告诉你的女儿她也可以当总统的。
再想想还不是老白男,是老白直男!
又没头脑又不高兴

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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by Knowing » 2020-03-07 2:53

幻儿 wrote:
2020-03-06 14:16
是的!!!我现在真的对于性别歧视,或者说主流对女性权益的不care,深恶痛绝,而且这种现象是如此常见,简直吐槽无力。

比如前不久去苹果总部开会,来了好几个人讲了很多苹果的企业价值观,如何要做到最好,用户体验最重。他们办公室各种细节设计也要赏心悦目,什么意大利进口的椅子皮,哪哪儿进口的木头和大理石,极其奢华。至于产品,不光是产品本身每个细节精雕吸啄,甚至是包装盒,也要做到盒盖自然降落是5秒中,不是3秒不是10秒,必须是5秒!

然后中间休息我去泵奶。泵奶室极其简陋,有个桌子有个椅子,电源插座在桌子后面的墙的底部。我找了半天才找到。我只能先把桌子搬开,蹲下插电源。一边搬桌子我一边气不打一处来。换一个时间地方我可能还不会生气,但是他们刚刚才说了公司对细节要求多么高,设计对于公司多么重要,可泵奶室就这个样!把电源放在桌子上面很难吗?一点不难。就是不care嘛。都给你泵奶室了,你还要啥?我不要啥,我就要平等而已。
我们需要更多女性进入高科技业并且留在那里。这个泵奶间估计你来之前没啥人用
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by Knowing » 2020-03-07 5:37

Jun wrote:
2020-03-06 14:13
斗争了未必能进步,但不斗争一定会退步。
没错!我们现在就在退步这一小patch 里
Nevertheless, she persisted.

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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by april » 2020-04-14 0:18

好不容易看到一束阳光
Liberal Challenger Defeats Conservative Incumbent in Wisconsin Supreme Court Race-Republicans’ voter suppression efforts appear to have backfired.
Jill Karofsky, a liberal judge running for the Wisconsin Supreme Court, has defeated Daniel Kelly, the conservative incumbent, according to results from the April 7 election that were released Monday afternoon. Karofsky’s victory narrows the court’s conservative bloc to a 4–3 majority, putting progressives in striking distance of flipping the powerful court. It may also force Republicans to reconsider their position on absentee voting during the coronavirus pandemic. Wisconsin Republicans sought to exploit COVID-19 to suppress Democratic votes, forcing citizens to risk their health to stand in line for hours at a handful of polling places or surrender their right to vote. Donald Trump and his allies appeared to be eyeing a similar strategy for November. But in Wisconsin, at least, that strategy seems to have backfired.


The Karofsky-Kelly race was, by far, the most important contest on the ballot in Wisconsin this spring. Kelly is an archconservative who once said slavery and affirmation action “spring from the same taproot,” stating: “Morally, and as a matter of law, they are the same.” Karofsky is a liberal state circuit court who criticized the state Supreme Court’s partisan overreach. The Wisconsin Supreme Court regularly hears cases of immense importance involving voting rights, gerrymandering, gun safety, and the balance of power between the Republican-dominated legislature and the Democratic governor, Tony Evers. If any of the four remaining conservative justices steps down, Evers can name a liberal replacement, flipping the court. Otherwise, progressives will have to wait until the next state Supreme Court election in 2023 for a shot at flipping it.

Karofsky’s triumph will provide a shot in the arm to demoralized Democrats who feared the judiciary had effectively rigged the election against her. After the legislature refused to delay the election due to the coronavirus, Evers tried to delay it himself—only to be blocked by the Wisconsin Supreme Court. Understandably, more than a million Wisconsinites asked for mail-in ballots, but this surge in requests overwhelmed election officials, who could not process them in time. As a result, some large number of voters did not even receive a ballot until after Election Day. A lower court judge ordered officials to count these late ballots, but the U.S. Supreme Court granted Republicans’ request to nullify them. This one-two punch forced thousands of voters to stand in long lines in the midst of a pandemic, risking their lives to exercise their constitutional rights. And it disproportionately burdened urban residents, who lean Democratic. Milwaukee, for example, consolidated its polling locations from 182 to five after 7,000 election officials refused to work for fear of infection.

The Wisconsin debacle provoked considerable partisan wrangling since both sides correctly understood it to be a dry run for November. This debate largely focused on absentee voting, and whether states should make it easier for voters to mail in their ballots. Trump has vociferously opposed mail-in ballots (which he also uses to vote absentee in Florida), claiming falsely that they are “corrupt” and “fraudulent.” Congressional Republicans have opposed Democratic attempts to establish universal vote-by-mail in the next coronavirus package. The president and his allies are also considering letting the U.S. Postal Service collapse, starving it of emergency funds so it cannot reliably transport ballots in November.

But it was never entirely clear that Republicans’ hunch—that Democrats benefit from widespread mail-in voting—was correct. That suspicion seems to have arisen from the fact that more Democratic states have adopted reforms that expand access to the ballot, including mail-in voting, while conservative states retain a slew of restrictions on the franchise. It may also be rooted in liberal advocates’ staunch opposition to severe limitations on mail-in voting; most lawsuits challenging those limitations were brought by organizations allied with Democrats. But in many states, Republican voters, especially older voters, historically use mail-in voting more than Democrats do.

Whatever the reason for Republicans’ intuition, it appears to be inaccurate—at least in Wisconsin, where it may have just backfired. Milwaukee, a Democratic bastion and the epicenter of voter suppression this cycle, had extremely high turnout that clinched the race for Karofsky. Meanwhile, voters in rural Republican-leaning counties simply did not turn out for Kelly like they did for Brian Hagedorn, a conservative justice who narrowly won a state Supreme Court in 2019. Why not? Political operatives will study these returns for months to determine whether GOP voters chose to sit this election out—or if they were simply unable to obtain or return their mail-in ballots on time. If that is, indeed, the case, then the Republican Party may conclude that, by stifling mail-in voting, it is suppressing its own voters while putting everyone’s lives at risk.

Either way, after this upset, expect savvy Republicans to hit pause on their crusade to vilify vote-by-mail in anticipation of the November election. Conservative groups spent huge sums trying to keep Kelly’s seat and failed. They will want to know why, especially after Hagedorn’s upset victory last year. If the words “Justice Jill Karofsky” do not teach the GOP that Republicans also vote by mail, maybe nothing will.
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Post by Jun » 2020-04-14 7:04

Wisconsin 选举的事真是太恶劣了。侧面体现了共和党用死亡来威胁选举权,不开枪的内战正在中。
There was nothing to warn anyone about. The world went on, even as it fell apart, changed irrevocably, became something strange and different. --- "Acceptance" in The Southern Reach Trilogy by Jeff VanderMeer

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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by Knowing » 2020-04-21 2:56

川皇要全面停止发绿卡和工签了。
川皇在说要建墙拦非法移民,下穆斯林禁令拦合法穆斯林移民,对亲属移民收紧的时候,我就说过,迟早会对合法工作移民开刀的。
Nevertheless, she persisted.

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Post by Jun » 2020-04-21 6:45

是这样的啊,共和党的 grievance 本来就是 darkies 太多了,再过三四十年白人不是 majority 了,统治权力岌岌可危,赶紧大船掉头。不堵移民堵谁?
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by lucoco » 2020-04-21 6:59

Knowing wrote:
2020-04-21 2:56
川皇要全面停止发绿卡和工签了。
川皇在说要建墙拦非法移民,下穆斯林禁令拦合法穆斯林移民,对亲属移民收紧的时候,我就说过,迟早会对合法工作移民开刀的。
拿绿卡工签的又不能投票,川黄不care. 等到整没了拿绿卡工签的,下一步就是已经拿了美国护照的吧? 选他的华人川粉们开心就好。不过说实话, 华人川粉们自己上岸了, 是巴不得把别人往水里推的。。。
一个人的性格决定他的命运。

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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by dropby » 2020-06-01 16:21

没人关心美国这几天的游行示威和骚乱么? 这几天各个群里都吵翻天了。还是说你们都和我一样口水都滴在别的地儿了。

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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by 豪情 » 2020-06-01 17:35

我觉得这个每人都有预设立场很难改变。别人不问到我头上我不主动讨论。
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by putaopi » 2020-06-01 17:56

支持Trump 的和歧视黑人喊Law and order 的基本上是一拨人,我的朋友圈里四年前就清过一遍了, 只剩下买菜群啦。没什么可吵的。

倒是这几天跟朋友通话,参加community zoom meeting 抱团取暖一番。

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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by Jun » 2020-06-01 18:55

住在美国的人都觉得很累了,没力气说了。只有住在外国的肉糜同学还有力气提起。
There was nothing to warn anyone about. The world went on, even as it fell apart, changed irrevocably, became something strange and different. --- "Acceptance" in The Southern Reach Trilogy by Jeff VanderMeer

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