[新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

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Post by staryngt » 2017-01-30 22:57

是不是Jeff sessions明天就confirm了?希望不会。
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... a28d7eb23f
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Post by Knowing » 2017-01-30 23:11

哇塞,我一直奇怪美国白男天天骂墨西哥人抢底层体力工,为什么从来没注意到亚洲移民霸占了那么多高薪高科技工作。原来斯蒂夫版能目光如炬早就盯上了咱们...
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烦死人!昨天俩瑞典同事截住我,睁着天真好奇的眼睛问了很多简直是故意寒碜人的问题.基本内容就是咦美国政治怎么啦不是有check and balance 吗他怎么能随便下这种命令难道没人能阻止他吗你们美国人都是傻子吗支持这样一个二货独裁者是自作自受吗这种事在瑞典绝不会发生啊为什么为什么为什么接下来会怎么样美国是要内战了嘛?我要是个爱国情绪高点的美国人非得气炸了跟他们吵起来不可!幸好我不是!我告诉他们,可以亲自去美国看看,3K党欢迎瑞典白男移民!
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Post by april » 2017-01-30 23:42

这个视屏太赞了,
“Sally Yates at her confirmation hearing answering her job-ending Q. and check out WHO was asking that question!"
https://twitter.com/yottapoint/status/8 ... 3891821568
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Post by 陆念 » 2017-01-31 0:44

别提了,而且好多群里的华人都在义愤填膺的表示替穆斯林声张的人都是脑子进水了,我上这儿来洗洗眼睛。下午刚和一个印度女同事聊过这事儿,她对堕胎和移民这两件事情特别气愤,2017年了怎么还会有这种事儿。知道身边有能说话的人我还是挺开心的。

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-01-31 1:53

才11天。
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Post by Knowing » 2017-01-31 2:08

欢迎来洗眼睛的!
Only 11 days ,but Democrats are more mobilized than ever. I wish we had been during election...

Washington State Attorney General Bob Ferguson (D) said Monday that his office would seek to halt President Trump’s controversial executive order blocking people from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States. Microsoft, Amazon, Expedia are joining him.

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch ... ration-ban

muslim ban 把高科技业推向跟红脖蓝领白男对峙的速度比我想象的要快得多.
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-01-31 2:34

是。欢迎来洗眼睛的。美国疯了,现在真的需要有个健康的小环境。

小k,你说的Steve Bannon 的反科技移民的消息在哪儿?
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Post by Knowing » 2017-01-31 3:58

你可千万别拿去跟华人川粉理论.他们一定会开心的说对啊对啊,就是印度人霸占了太多H1B/CEO 位置,把他们都搞掉,只剩我们华人当白人老爷的奴隶就好了.
Jun wrote:这是 Steve Bannon 自己说的。

http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/16/1365 ... -tech-visa

Trump’s chief strategist Steve Bannon suggests having too many Asian tech CEOs undermines ‘civic society’

by Ashley Carman@ashleyrcarman Nov 16, 2016, 3:49pm EST
President-elect Donald Trump’s chief strategist seems to think there are too many immigrants leading Silicon Valley. Steve Bannon, who previously served as Breitbart News Network’s executive chairman, hinted at some of his views on foreign workers at technology companies in the past. In an interview between Trump and Bannon that took place last year, and that The Washington Post resurfaced yesterday, Bannon alluded to the idea that foreign students should return to their respective countries after attending school in the US, instead of sticking around and working at or starting tech companies.


Bannon responded: “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think . . . ” he didn’t finish his sentence. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”

While Bannon didn’t explicitly say anything against immigrants, he seemed to hint at the idea of a white nationalist identity with the phrase “civic society.”
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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2017-01-31 4:29

A chilling read to start your day:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... cy/513872/
Civil unrest will not be a problem for the Trump presidency. It will be a resource. Trump will likely want not to repress it, but to publicize it—and the conservative entertainment-outrage complex will eagerly assist him. Immigration protesters marching with Mexican flags; Black Lives Matter demonstrators bearing antipolice slogans—these are the images of the opposition that Trump will wish his supporters to see. The more offensively the protesters behave, the more pleased Trump will be.
I am with Sam Harris on Trump's immigration ban:
https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status ... 2324694016
Liberal lies about Islamism only empower Trump. And now Trump's lumbering stupidity will empower Islamism.
Only Trump is not stupid - he is a malevolent egoist.

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Post by tiffany » 2017-01-31 6:54

Knowing wrote:你可千万别拿去跟华人川粉理论.他们一定会开心的说对啊对啊,就是印度人霸占了太多H1B/CEO 位置,把他们都搞掉,只剩我们华人当白人老爷的奴隶就好了.
Jun wrote:这是 Steve Bannon 自己说的。

http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/16/1365 ... -tech-visa

Trump’s chief strategist Steve Bannon suggests having too many Asian tech CEOs undermines ‘civic society’

by Ashley Carman@ashleyrcarman Nov 16, 2016, 3:49pm EST
President-elect Donald Trump’s chief strategist seems to think there are too many immigrants leading Silicon Valley. Steve Bannon, who previously served as Breitbart News Network’s executive chairman, hinted at some of his views on foreign workers at technology companies in the past. In an interview between Trump and Bannon that took place last year, and that The Washington Post resurfaced yesterday, Bannon alluded to the idea that foreign students should return to their respective countries after attending school in the US, instead of sticking around and working at or starting tech companies.


Bannon responded: “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think . . . ” he didn’t finish his sentence. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”

While Bannon didn’t explicitly say anything against immigrants, he seemed to hint at the idea of a white nationalist identity with the phrase “civic society.”
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Post by Jun » 2017-01-31 9:27

简单粗暴地说,广大乡村美国白人就是支持新纳粹主义,即使非强烈支持的心里也觉得没啥不好的。他们在美国政治上占多数势力最大,即便绝对人数未必超过海岸边的城市人口。有些少数族裔觉得巴结上权势才是生存之道,也可以理解。
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Post by orangetabby » 2017-01-31 12:54

总算在这里觉得自己算是个正常人了。

有绿卡的都被手铐拷走监狱过夜了。川粉还辩解说海关被关小黑屋的多了去了。

这真是。。。

当然后来迫于压力把有绿卡的都放了。但是这才第11天?第110天呢?
性格决定命运, 基因决定性格. 所以请放心大胆的怨天怨地怨爹娘.

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Post by vivi » 2017-01-31 13:00

还要查手机上的 social media account呢。1984!
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Post by seren » 2017-01-31 13:05

陆念 wrote:别提了,而且好多群里的华人都在义愤填膺的表示替穆斯林声张的人都是脑子进水了,我上这儿来洗洗眼睛。下午刚和一个印度女同事聊过这事儿,她对堕胎和移民这两件事情特别气愤,2017年了怎么还会有这种事儿。知道身边有能说话的人我还是挺开心的。
昨天下午,我偶然打开某个群一看,正有一人在说“我们华人和穆斯林不一样,怎么能一样呢,他们杀人放火,我们杀人放火吗?”我叹口气关掉了。其实我真的气都气不起来,说这话的人,知书达理逢公守法努力工作持家有方,放哪里都是社会中坚力量,但正是这样的人,同样也可以无知偏执自以为是到这样的程度,而且完全不自知,想想真让人灰心。
我跟我爸说,我现在有时候就想一觉冬眠到四年八年以后再醒过来。我爸正告我:千万不要这么想,越乱越要擦亮眼睛,做观察者(他老人家倒不会赞成我做参与者,所以我去local clinic做志愿者也没跟他说)。我想想,行,你们这代人经过更多事,有时说话还真有道理。
周一上课,放了一个PBS的documentary,讲社会经济政治种族不平等各方面因素对人群健康的影响。学生们看得都很投入,又觉得有一点安慰。

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Post by vivi » 2017-01-31 13:21

DeVos was approved by a Senate committee vote -- twice -- despite Democratic efforts to derail her confirmation process. The vote came after The Washington Post reported that DeVos had appeared to plagiarize answers she submitted to the panel.

说Republicans没有脊柱简直是夸他们了。他们根本就是enablers,同谋,完全一样的guilty。
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Post by 陆念 » 2017-01-31 13:33

seren wrote: 昨天下午,我偶然打开某个群一看,正有一人在说“我们华人和穆斯林不一样,怎么能一样呢,他们杀人放火,我们杀人放火吗?”我叹口气关掉了。其实我真的气都气不起来,说这话的人,知书达理逢公守法努力工作持家有方,放哪里都是社会中坚力量,但正是这样的人,同样也可以无知偏执自以为是到这样的程度,而且完全不自知,想想真让人灰心。
很多人我可以谈事业发展育儿艺术美食旅游等等的一切,结果一觉醒来发现在最基本的认知上其实非常不一致。我都不知道是怎么回事。如果真的问他们要不要equality,他们肯定不会否认吧,但是他们描绘的equality其实是建立在discrimination基础上的equality,我现在完全不能reconcile。

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Post by dropby » 2017-01-31 13:38

seren wrote:
陆念 wrote:别提了,而且好多群里的华人都在义愤填膺的表示替穆斯林声张的人都是脑子进水了,我上这儿来洗洗眼睛。下午刚和一个印度女同事聊过这事儿,她对堕胎和移民这两件事情特别气愤,2017年了怎么还会有这种事儿。知道身边有能说话的人我还是挺开心的。
昨天下午,我偶然打开某个群一看,正有一人在说“我们华人和穆斯林不一样,怎么能一样呢,他们杀人放火,我们杀人放火吗?”我叹口气关掉了。其实我真的气都气不起来,说这话的人,知书达理逢公守法努力工作持家有方,放哪里都是社会中坚力量,但正是这样的人,同样也可以无知偏执自以为是到这样的程度,而且完全不自知,想想真让人灰心。
我跟我爸说,我现在有时候就想一觉冬眠到四年八年以后再醒过来。我爸正告我:千万不要这么想,越乱越要擦亮眼睛,做观察者(他老人家倒不会赞成我做参与者,所以我去local clinic做志愿者也没跟他说)。我想想,行,你们这代人经过更多事,有时说话还真有道理。
周一上课,放了一个PBS的documentary,讲社会经济政治种族不平等各方面因素对人群健康的影响。学生们看得都很投入,又觉得有一点安慰。
看统计数字的话,我估计华人按百分比杀人放火和穆斯林应该差得不太多。

而且这和杀人放火有啥关系?德国犹太人杀人放火了吗?印尼华人杀人放火了吗?日裔美国人杀人放火了吗?

唉,大选以来,我的认知一再刷新啊。华人微信群里对七国禁令居然是一片叫好声,加拿大华人还有羡慕的,恨不得小土豆向川普学习。我现在完全闭嘴了,大家生活在完全不一样的平行宇宙,有啥好说的。

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Post by seren » 2017-01-31 13:40

vivi wrote:DeVos was approved by a Senate committee vote -- twice -- despite Democratic efforts to derail her confirmation process. The vote came after The Washington Post reported that DeVos had appeared to plagiarize answers she submitted to the panel.

说Republicans没有脊柱简直是夸他们了。他们根本就是enablers,同谋,完全一样的guilty。
对,今天早上On Point有个嘉宾说,以前都是总统带着big agenda上台,希图利用国会的weakness达到自己的目的,而今年反过来,GOP的国会带有巨大agenda,想利用总统的weakness达到自己的目的。我想想也不是没道理,但觉得这个有道理又让人更看不到希望。

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Post by dropby » 2017-01-31 13:44

vivi wrote:DeVos was approved by a Senate committee vote -- twice -- despite Democratic efforts to derail her confirmation process. The vote came after The Washington Post reported that DeVos had appeared to plagiarize answers she submitted to the panel.

说Republicans没有脊柱简直是夸他们了。他们根本就是enablers,同谋,完全一样的guilty。
幸好我没去美国啊,否则可能现在正在折腾回加拿大。

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Post by vivi » 2017-01-31 13:54

陆念 wrote:
seren wrote: 昨天下午,我偶然打开某个群一看,正有一人在说“我们华人和穆斯林不一样,怎么能一样呢,他们杀人放火,我们杀人放火吗?”我叹口气关掉了。其实我真的气都气不起来,说这话的人,知书达理逢公守法努力工作持家有方,放哪里都是社会中坚力量,但正是这样的人,同样也可以无知偏执自以为是到这样的程度,而且完全不自知,想想真让人灰心。
很多人我可以谈事业发展育儿艺术美食旅游等等的一切,结果一觉醒来发现在最基本的认知上其实非常不一致。我都不知道是怎么回事。如果真的问他们要不要equality,他们肯定不会否认吧,但是他们描绘的equality其实是建立在discrimination基础上的equality,我现在完全不能reconcile。
去年我把一个聊了6年的群quit,底线差的太远。最后一根稻草就是一个中年妈妈说,‘不能选女人,尤其不能选老女人’。她还有个女儿。太可悲了。我这么大年纪了要不要为了求同存异搞到自己每天这么不开心啊,要生癌的。
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Post by vivi » 2017-01-31 13:55

dropby wrote:
vivi wrote:DeVos was approved by a Senate committee vote -- twice -- despite Democratic efforts to derail her confirmation process. The vote came after The Washington Post reported that DeVos had appeared to plagiarize answers she submitted to the panel.

说Republicans没有脊柱简直是夸他们了。他们根本就是enablers,同谋,完全一样的guilty。
幸好我没去美国啊,否则可能现在正在折腾回加拿大。
这里也不一定是桃源。现在右翼抬头的多厉害啊。你在BC可能不觉得。我在石油省,身边的川粉不要太多。
又没头脑又不高兴

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Post by dropby » 2017-01-31 14:44

vivi wrote:
dropby wrote:
vivi wrote:DeVos was approved by a Senate committee vote -- twice -- despite Democratic efforts to derail her confirmation process. The vote came after The Washington Post reported that DeVos had appeared to plagiarize answers she submitted to the panel.

说Republicans没有脊柱简直是夸他们了。他们根本就是enablers,同谋,完全一样的guilty。
幸好我没去美国啊,否则可能现在正在折腾回加拿大。
这里也不一定是桃源。现在右翼抬头的多厉害啊。你在BC可能不觉得。我在石油省,身边的川粉不要太多。
加拿大肯定不是桃源,而且难免池鱼之殃。如果加拿大是桃源,我根本就不会关心美国的事儿。但是就象我劝美国朋友入美国籍,虽然公民其实也一样不保险,但至少绿卡会被先针对,可以延缓一点儿吧。我这样的还能去哪儿呢?中国是回不去了。而且中国也一样不是桃源啊。

说到池鱼之殃,我觉得魁北克极端右翼血洗清真寺绝对有受美国民粹主义影响啊。

这边的川粉也一样多啊。我前面不说了吗?本地华人微信群希望小土豆学习川普。

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Post by dropby » 2017-01-31 14:45

vivi wrote:
dropby wrote:
vivi wrote:DeVos was approved by a Senate committee vote -- twice -- despite Democratic efforts to derail her confirmation process. The vote came after The Washington Post reported that DeVos had appeared to plagiarize answers she submitted to the panel.

说Republicans没有脊柱简直是夸他们了。他们根本就是enablers,同谋,完全一样的guilty。
幸好我没去美国啊,否则可能现在正在折腾回加拿大。
这里也不一定是桃源。现在右翼抬头的多厉害啊。你在BC可能不觉得。我在石油省,身边的川粉不要太多。
vivi我记得你去美国了,又回来了?

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Post by vivi » 2017-01-31 14:57

dropby wrote:vivi我记得你去美国了,又回来了?
猪头在密西根读了6年的书。 我们回来3年了都。当年出了Sandy Hook的事儿猪头打死也不要住在美国了。
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Post by dropby » 2017-01-31 15:09

vivi wrote:
dropby wrote:vivi我记得你去美国了,又回来了?
猪头在密西根读了6年的书。 我们回来3年了都。当年出了Sandy Hook的事儿猪头打死也不要住在美国了。
时间过得真快啊。有娃以后时间简直不经过。

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Post by Jun » 2017-01-31 15:11

dropby wrote:说到池鱼之殃,我觉得魁北克极端右翼血洗清真寺绝对有受美国民粹主义影响啊。
已经报道了前天袭击清真寺的凶手是极右新纳粹主义的白男青年,川普崇拜者。
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Post by dropby » 2017-01-31 15:21

Jun wrote:
dropby wrote:说到池鱼之殃,我觉得魁北克极端右翼血洗清真寺绝对有受美国民粹主义影响啊。
已经报道了前天袭击清真寺的凶手是极右新纳粹主义的白男青年,川普崇拜者。
F.............真想骂人啊。

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-01-31 15:37

Jun wrote:
dropby wrote:说到池鱼之殃,我觉得魁北克极端右翼血洗清真寺绝对有受美国民粹主义影响啊。
已经报道了前天袭击清真寺的凶手是极右新纳粹主义的白男青年,川普崇拜者。
“These violent delights have violent ends
And in their triumph die, like fire and powder
Which, as they kiss, consume”

― William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet
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Post by Knowing » 2017-01-31 16:35

vivi wrote:
陆念 wrote:
seren wrote: 昨天下午,我偶然打开某个群一看,正有一人在说“我们华人和穆斯林不一样,怎么能一样呢,他们杀人放火,我们杀人放火吗?”我叹口气关掉了。其实我真的气都气不起来,说这话的人,知书达理逢公守法努力工作持家有方,放哪里都是社会中坚力量,但正是这样的人,同样也可以无知偏执自以为是到这样的程度,而且完全不自知,想想真让人灰心。
很多人我可以谈事业发展育儿艺术美食旅游等等的一切,结果一觉醒来发现在最基本的认知上其实非常不一致。我都不知道是怎么回事。如果真的问他们要不要equality,他们肯定不会否认吧,但是他们描绘的equality其实是建立在discrimination基础上的equality,我现在完全不能reconcile。
去年我把一个聊了6年的群quit,底线差的太远。最后一根稻草就是一个中年妈妈说,‘不能选女人,尤其不能选老女人’。她还有个女儿。太可悲了。我这么大年纪了要不要为了求同存异搞到自己每天这么不开心啊,要生癌的。
大选后我就不怎么上微信聊天了,亲朋好友同学多年总不能为政见分歧绝交,少看看省心。
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Post by qinger » 2017-01-31 17:48

看到华人上有人说当年我签证也不也被background check吗,不能相信有人为了维护他们愿意相信的可以如此没有逻辑。
当然华人上也有人跳出来检讨为自己选了trump感到羞愧。
现在偶是胡军的扇子。

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Post by futurehope14 » 2017-01-31 17:56

Jun wrote:
dropby wrote:说到池鱼之殃,我觉得魁北克极端右翼血洗清真寺绝对有受美国民粹主义影响啊。
已经报道了前天袭击清真寺的凶手是极右新纳粹主义的白男青年,川普崇拜者。
在惨案发生的第二天,微信上已经有铺天盖地的消息说枪手是两周前刚入境的穆斯林移民,且信者众多。这样造谣的人到底是出于什么目的呢?那些相信这样的低级谣言的人是偏见太强大了?还是真的智商不够用? :let_me_die: :let_me_die: :let_me_die:
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Post by Jun » 2017-01-31 18:07

笑嘻嘻 wrote: “These violent delights have violent ends
And in their triump die, like fire and powder
Which, as they kiss, consume”

― William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet

笑大别介意,我又要跳出来扮 editor 了,你这里少了个 h,让我一眼之下差点看成 trump 吓了一跳。 :mrgreen:

在上面忘记给出加拿大的关于魁北克枪杀案新闻报道,以及凶手 Alexandre Bissonnette (27岁) 的背景:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/ ... -1.3959581

不过这件事已经不能让我震惊了。白人新纳粹活动在过去十年里已经搞大,一方面还要感谢互联网让全世界的新纳粹找到组织。

- 2011年在挪威发生的惨案,Anders Behring Breivik 枪杀了77个人,动机就是新纳粹主义的恐怖活动,反对政府收留中东难民以及接收非白人移民的政策。
- 2015年在南卡州 Dylann Roof 跑到黑人教会枪杀九个教众,动机也是新纳粹主义,他直说目的是为了 start a race war。
- Brexit 之前,英国女议员 Jo Cox 被支持 Brexit 的极右派分子 Thomas Mair 在光天化日之下杀害。

然而这些事件都没有被主流社会接受为可怕的潮流与动向,民众与媒体以及政治系统对于这些凶手的定性都是“脑子坏了”,“神经病”,mental health problems. 而不是将之定性为政治事件,或者跟种族主义、纳粹主义的言论甚嚣尘上的现象有直接联系。虽然连瞎子都看得见种族矛盾在西方社会里越来越尖锐,白人至上主义越来越响,越来越主流,但大众集体性地不愿意承认或面对。即使 Jo Cox 的死也不能阻止 Brexit 群众的投票,说明这个潮流一时半会儿是没法阻挡的。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-01-31 18:10

Knowing wrote:你可千万别拿去跟华人川粉理论.他们一定会开心的说对啊对啊,就是印度人霸占了太多H1B/CEO 位置,把他们都搞掉,只剩我们华人当白人老爷的奴隶就好了.
我怎么会有那么闲去跟XX论短长。我关心的是这一条就足够逼硅谷科技企业造反了。而这是有可能能够抗衡共和党保守派的力量。拿民权跟选民说事儿,我看没啥希望。现在是拿着巨大aganda 的共和党利用一个傻总统,比什么都可怕。
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Post by staryngt » 2017-01-31 18:42

现在硅谷科技公司联合起来是件好事:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/tech ... hone-share
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-01-31 19:03

Jun wrote: 笑大别介意,我又要跳出来扮 editor 了,你这里少了个 h,让我一眼之下差点看成 trump 吓了一跳。 :mrgreen:
改了。其实我不想改的。 :mrgreen:
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-01-31 19:05

现在真的站出来行动上的反抗的只有亚马逊的jeff bezos。还远远不够。
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"People don’t choose between things, they choose between descriptions of things" by kanhneman

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Post by Knowing » 2017-02-01 2:39

笑嘻嘻 wrote:现在真的站出来行动上的反抗的只有亚马逊的jeff bezos。还远远不够。
jeff bezos 的继父是古巴移民。亲爹完全不负责任,他一岁不到就离婚消失了。他是把继父当作亲爹的。
我一开始挺惊讶他积极出头。因为他一直都显得是个libertarian 不左不右. 后来想了想大选期间华盛顿邮报反川普反的声嘶力竭都快变小报了,这背后肯定有大老板的立场.
我也觉得完蛋了,就等诸位亿万富翁们拯救我们了. 为什么到现在还没人出钱把所有的川普集团债买下来逼死他俩儿子啊.....
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-02-01 2:54

这一开始就是一场全球化与自动化对传统行业传统经济传统社会的剧烈冲突。必须得有科技跨国企业出头。只是科技企业大佬都是小时候的nerd弱鸡,自我培训的富翁,还放不下不作恶的理想。
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Post by april » 2017-02-01 3:06

昨晚看到Yonatan Zunger那篇“Trial Balloon for a Coup?” 还去看了同作者前面一篇。感觉哪里不对。并没有去转。看了下面这篇我才想清楚为什么我不是很喜欢Zunger的调子。因为他这种“黑手”推论和川普那边假新闻散布的各种阴谋论是一样的,只是立场不同而已。我更倾向于相信下面这文。很多被阴谋论的事件往往都是在混乱中产生的。。。
Weak and Incompetent Leaders act like Strong Leaders

这次移民禁令事件到今天为止我最不解的是CBP的对川普的绝对的服从。就像Jun指出的这种群体就是把犹太人送入毒气室里那些纳粹集体的作为。让人心惊肉跳。
这几天忙得没时间多加研究,貌似Department of Homeland Security就是九一一后小布什设定的政府分支,直接效忠总统的?所以跟传统的部门比方EPA, State Department这种处处传出反对声音的政府部门不一样?
笑嘻嘻 wrote:这一开始就是一场全球化与自动化对传统行业传统经济传统社会的剧烈冲突。必须得有科技跨国企业出头。只是科技企业大佬都是小时候的nerd弱鸡,自我培训的富翁,还放不下不作恶的理想。
从个人情感上我看到自己的公司大佬出来抗争当然欣慰。但是理性上来看,我不觉得高科技公司的出头对川普和GOP的对抗有用。因为这些人本来就不是他们的投票人。而且他们也不在乎美国在现实里落后或者美国国力受损高科技人员外流,只要他们的选民有工作,或者工资有涨,他们看不到移民,在他们的假新闻里狐狸台的报道里美国回归他们想要的样子,18年和20年继续选GOP就行了。

另外就是对Knowing指出的Sessions马上接管司法部,反川普这边完全没有兵权我觉得非常忧虑。。。实力太不平衡了。。。很想把John Adams揪出来问问他对自己一手建起来的这么强大的Exec Branch作何感想。。。

再贴一片中文文章,写得还不错,我转到自己的微信朋友圈了,不管有用没用,死马当活马医吧。
http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/pl22fsiLt-oP1kSzFfiSJg
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Post by Knowing » 2017-02-01 4:30

唉,仇外在各个年代有不一样的面具。
东欧至今有歧视犹太人的风潮。现在仇穆斯林风潮更甚,大家不太注意就是了。
同样的东欧人在西欧国家也受仇视,英国人恨东欧劳工抢工作。其实本国人已经有各种先天优势,外国人能进入的行业都是有需求的。但这种话跟本国人说是没有用的。。。

四个州起诉联邦政府穆斯林移民禁令违法。
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 04ff52e0cd
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Post by Jun » 2017-02-01 7:07

april wrote:再贴一片中文文章,写得还不错,我转到自己的微信朋友圈了,不管有用没用,死马当活马医吧。
http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/pl22fsiLt-oP1kSzFfiSJg
“人怎么会坏成这样”这篇文章被转得连我都看过了。一路看到结尾也没有答案。我觉得答案就是人确实可以坏成这样,在适合的条件下。我想起 The World Until Yesterday 里面形容的古代部落生活,看见陌生人第一个反应就是敌意与戒备。And they would be right.
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Post by tiffany » 2017-02-01 10:38

这个民意调查结果很意料之中啊,其实,才三分之一,已经比我想象中的强多了。

历次群众运动都是群众们积极参加热烈拥护的啊。美国有 witch hunt,50 年代抓共产党;欧洲,迫害犹太人;中国,就不用说了吧。

话说回来,trump 上台倒是力证了有个疯狂独裁者是多么可怕的一件事情。话在说回来,我国,自从76年以后也不能算有真正意义上的独裁者了吧。
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Post by staryngt » 2017-02-01 11:03

tiffany wrote:这个民意调查结果很意料之中啊,其实,才三分之一,已经比我想象中的强多了。

历次群众运动都是群众们积极参加热烈拥护的啊。美国有 witch hunt,50 年代抓共产党;欧洲,迫害犹太人;中国,就不用说了吧。

话说回来,trump 上台倒是力证了有个疯狂独裁者是多么可怕的一件事情。话在说回来,我国,自从76年以后也不能算有真正意义上的独裁者了吧。
不只1/3。第一个问题:
"Do you agree or disagree with the Executive Order that President Trump signed blocking refugees and banning people from seven Muslim majority countries from entering the U.S.?"
同意的49%,不同意的41%,不知道的10%。

我也觉得高科技公司对trump影响有限,但不联合起来就更没希望了。
https://www.google.com/amp/www.theverge ... vil-things
On Thursday’s meeting, though, Schmidt expressed doubts about the company’s influence: “These prejudicial actions are discriminatory and anti-globalization, and I did everything I could to cause a different outcome.” He added: “There are limits to what we can do, there’s no question if the company is asked to do something that’s counter to our values, we would oppose it and actively fight it.”
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Post by Knowing » 2017-02-01 11:09

我顿时感到很孤立。。。。
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Post by Jun » 2017-02-01 11:42

如果做生意成本太高,生意就会找成本较低的地方去做呗。

茶党选民要求的东西,跟生意利润要求的东西,早晚会起冲突的。好奇哪边赢。
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Post by staryngt » 2017-02-01 11:49

Knowing wrote:我顿时感到很孤立。。。。
是,我们是minority,不管从那一方面 …
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Post by april » 2017-02-01 12:49

Jun wrote:如果做生意成本太高,生意就会找成本较低的地方去做呗。

茶党选民要求的东西,跟生意利润要求的东西,早晚会起冲突的。好奇哪边赢。
前两天刚在推特上看到历史数据,纳粹德国的股票一直是涨,涨势一直到列宁格勒战役都不停,今天Krugman也说匈牙利股票自从中央集权2010年掌权后也一直在涨
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所以指望股市跌让川粉回头这路好像走不通。我很好奇Knowing提的谁去买下川家所有债务逼死小川们的法子怎么运作?可不可以细说一下?
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Post by Jun » 2017-02-01 13:06

股票涨是好事啊。我在斐济晒太阳,留下来的退休金还一直涨。

但是我不肯定茶党的诉求跟纳粹德国的政策是一样的。纳粹德国并不想闭关锁国不跟外国交易。
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Post by dropby » 2017-02-01 13:08

今天补课了一下魁北克清真寺枪击案,对小土豆好感大增 。

小土豆的讲话:

To the more than one million Canadians who profess the Muslim faith, I want to say directly, we are with you. 36 million hearts, are breaking with yours. Know, that we value you, you enrich our shared country in immeasurable ways. It is, your home. last night horrible crime against Muslim community, was an act committed against Canada and against all Canadians. We would grieve with you, we will defend you, we will love you, and we will stand with you.

Over the coming days, take solace in one another. We will mourn this devastating attack, and we will heal together, as one community, as one country, and as one family. Canadians will not be intimidated, we will not meet violence with more violence. We will meat fear and hatred with love and compassion, always.

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