[新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

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Post by Knowing » 2017-02-02 4:40

我很好奇Knowing提的谁去买下川家所有债务逼死小川们的法子怎么运作?可不可以细说一下?
我开玩笑的,谁也不知道具体他家债务现在在谁手里都怎么个结构.他的几个项目(现在是川普儿子们管)据说负债比非常高, 而且有私人担保, 谁运作一下把大部分债买下来, 逼可以公司破产. 不过现在肯讨好他借钱给他的外国财团很多.要逼也很难.

小土豆太可爱了. :heartpump: :heartpump:
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Post by april » 2017-02-02 11:32

明白了,谢 Knowing 解释。现在这条路走不通,整个美国国库都在他家手里。。。
这个纽约客文章很励志!
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Post by Jun » 2017-02-02 11:56

So much fun. So little time.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... a-no-doubt

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Post by Knowing » 2017-02-02 14:37

Steve Bannon thinks legal immigrant is the problem
“Isn’t the beating heart of this problem, the real beating heart of it, of what we gotta get sorted here, not illegal immigration?” Bannon asked Miller. “As horrific as that is, and it’s horrific, don’t we have a problem? We’ve looked the other way on this legal immigration that’s kinda overwhelmed the country?”

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... on-problem
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-02-02 15:07

到底会不会打仗啊!!!
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Post by 豪情 » 2017-02-02 15:12

你是说和中国还是内战?
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-02-02 15:15

都想知道啊!哪个都太可怕了。
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Post by Jun » 2017-02-02 15:26

估计中国会装孙子吧,(grandson, not SunTzu the author of Art of War) 就打不起来了。

如果中国把在美国的所有中国移民都吞回去,大概能让 Bannon 一高兴就不打了。(妈的我该去当白宫智囊,啧啧这一石两鸟的主意高不高?)
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Post by vivi » 2017-02-02 16:58

内战也打不起来吧,兵权不是都在总统手里吗?
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Post by Knowing » 2017-02-02 17:06

高实在是高!
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Post by april » 2017-02-02 19:20

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rump-brand
Nordstrom Said to Wind Down Ivanka Trump Brand Partnership

每一个小小的胜利都值得庆祝。

刚看到一篇特别好的文章。How to Build an Autocracy
昨天就在豆瓣疯传。我看了一会没看进去,因为开头他想象2020年的美国什么样,简直太可怕了。但是今天才知道只要快速过了那一部分,接下来有非常好的分析和应对办法。非常诚恳。看完我又没用的哭了,但是觉得自己终于找到组织了。说的很对。

奥巴马那八年大家确实都越来越少参与到政治中去,觉得革命已经成功大家无需努力了。"Larry Diamond, a sociologist at Stanford, has described the past decade as a period of “democratic recession.” Worldwide, the number of democratic states has diminished. Within many of the remaining democracies, the quality of governance has deteriorated.“
Everything imagined above—and everything described below—is possible only if many people other than Donald Trump agree to permit it. It can all be stopped, if individual citizens and public officials make the right choices. The story told here, like that told by Charles Dickens’s Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come, is a story not of things that will be, but of things that may be. Other paths remain open. It is up to Americans to decide which one the country will follow.

No society, not even one as rich and fortunate as the United States has been, is guaranteed a successful future. When early Americans wrote things like “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty,” they did not do so to provide bromides for future bumper stickers. They lived in a world in which authoritarian rule was the norm, in which rulers habitually claimed the powers and assets of the state as their own personal property.

The exercise of political power is different today than it was then—but perhaps not so different as we might imagine. Larry Diamond, a sociologist at Stanford, has described the past decade as a period of “democratic recession.” Worldwide, the number of democratic states has diminished. Within many of the remaining democracies, the quality of governance has deteriorated.
川普政府看死了美国人民的参政热情不会长久。
Trump and his team count on one thing above all others: public indifference. “I think people don’t care,” he said in September when asked whether voters wanted him to release his tax returns. “Nobody cares,” he reiterated to 60 Minutes in November. Conflicts of interest with foreign investments? Trump tweeted on November 21 that he didn’t believe voters cared about that either: “Prior to the election it was well known that I have interests in properties all over the world. Only the crooked media makes this a big deal!”

What happens in the next four years will depend heavily on whether Trump is right or wrong about how little Americans care about their democracy and the habits and conventions that sustain it. If they surprise him, they can restrain him.
我就是今天看到有人提到下面这两段才回头读了这篇长文。
Get into the habit of telephoning your senators and House member at their local offices, especially if you live in a red state. Press your senators to ensure that prosecutors and judges are chosen for their independence—and that their independence is protected. Support laws to require the Treasury to release presidential tax returns if the president fails to do so voluntarily. Urge new laws to clarify that the Emoluments Clause applies to the president’s immediate family, and that it refers not merely to direct gifts from governments but to payments from government-affiliated enterprises as well. Demand an independent investigation by qualified professionals of the role of foreign intelligence services in the 2016 election—and the contacts, if any, between those services and American citizens. Express your support and sympathy for journalists attacked by social-media trolls, especially women in journalism, so often the preferred targets. Honor civil servants who are fired or forced to resign because they defied improper orders. Keep close watch for signs of the rise of a culture of official impunity, in which friends and supporters of power-holders are allowed to flout rules that bind everyone else.

Those citizens who fantasize about defying tyranny from within fortified compounds have never understood how liberty is actually threatened in a modern bureaucratic state: not by diktat and violence, but by the slow, demoralizing process of corruption and deceit. And the way that liberty must be defended is not with amateur firearms, but with an unwearying insistence upon the honesty, integrity, and professionalism of American institutions and those who lead them. We are living through the most dangerous challenge to the free government of the United States that anyone alive has encountered. What happens next is up to you and me. Don’t be afraid. This moment of danger can also be your finest hour as a citizen and an American.
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Post by Knowing » 2017-02-03 2:53

我跟你一样看了一半看不下去了。太沮丧。不一样的是我真的不知道会不会有足够的人在乎.

最近躲到GEEK 天地里疗伤,常听TED / BBC科学脱口秀无限猴子笼, TED 最近有一期节目谈大众认知跟统计数据相差经常非常远,比如英国群众认为英国每一百个人里有二十个穆斯林.实际上是五个. 沙特阿拉伯群众认为本国有百分之二十五的胖子,实际是百分之七十五.日本群众认为本国有百分之五十多的人住在乡下,其实是百分之六. 我沮丧地觉得, 统计这个事情,要是跟直觉相反,教人相信还是很费力气的. 很难啊....因为我自己刚接触统计和概率概念的时候, 幼小的心灵也是很受冲击, 饶了很久弯才绕过来.

无限猴子笼里有个心理学家说我们搞科学的特别不能接受别人看法跟我们不一样,所以对别人的看法有个三部曲设定:无知,愚蠢,邪恶. 我听了好戚戚啊.对于川粉我们也有这个心理过程
设定第一步是无知:啊,你们不知道事实!我们把事实摆出来,你们就会幡然醒悟的.(必须揭穿川普的骗局!他根本不是什么成功的商人好嘛?他经常破产,吹牛,赖帐不还!他不会真心保护劳工阶级的利益!)
设定第二步是愚蠢:啊,我们都把事实摆出来,你也看到了,为啥你还跟我想得不一样?你一定是愚蠢!(这么多报道都摆出来了,这么多录像,爆料,受害人控诉,你们都看见了,为什么还相信他支持他,你们是傻子啊?)
设定第三步是邪恶:靠,掰开揉碎讲理你都不搭理, 显然不是不能想事,是价值观有问题,纯粹的邪恶! (川粉恨女人!恨同性恋!恨外国人!种族歧视!都是坏人!)

我现在在第三步的尾声,不知道该往哪里去,世界观里没有下一步了. 实在不知道该把百分之五十的美国人怎么想。
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Post by CAVA » 2017-02-03 3:12

我无法想象美国英国百分之五十的人民是邪恶的,他们也不都愚蠢无知。他们消化信息和做出决定的方式和我们不一样,他们的价值观由于种种原因和我们不一样,在大多数时候他们和我们可以和平共处。但中国人爱讲的时势现在起很大作用,时代发展到科技使人失业,信息散播游戏化、真人秀化、社交网络化的程度,给各种右翼势力提供了肥沃的土壤。但人本身有那么邪恶吗?看着周围传统意义上的疑似投脱欧票的“好人",我还是不原意相信。

至少还有另外百分之五十的人民和我们一个阵营,所以小K不要太悲观了。关注时局发展的同时,给自己留点空间,自我保护也很重要。

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Post by april » 2017-02-03 3:44

文章太长,看不进去可以来看这个视屏https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/vi ... 425148487/ 其实他的理论和Jon Stewart前两天在Late Night with Stephen Colbert(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-4r9XE5EM0)上说的是一样的, 大意是"Trump could make America great again, but how he imagined it."

文章作者是David Frum. 我完全没听过的一个人。但是貌似很有名很保守的一个政论者,曾经给小布希写演讲稿,很维护伊拉克战争等等。连这样的人都出来教大家如何反川如何保卫美国宪政了!我觉得希望就在这里。反DeVos(川普的教育部长提名)现在不就已经争取到了两名共和党反对票了吗?如果现在投票已经制造出平局需要副总统出来打破僵局了。豆瓣上有人说连纳粹都没这么快的激起这么多人恼怒的做法,现在才十一天而已。“温水煮青蛙”的诀窍是"温“。这么激进的结果就是推了一大批原来保守的进入反川阵营。不是所有的共和党都像Bannon想来个文化大革命吧?连我这种理科背景底层工作人员都知道要想走得远得有人帮,像川普这样见谁都得罪的做法怎么可能走得远呢?


Frum上面那篇长文里很详细的剖析了GOP和川普的关系,很有意思。
The first reason to fear weak diligence is the oddly inverse relationship between President Trump and the congressional Republicans. In the ordinary course of events, it’s the incoming president who burns with eager policy ideas. Consequently, it’s the president who must adapt to—and often overlook—the petty human weaknesses and vices of members of Congress in order to advance his agenda. This time, it will be Paul Ryan, the speaker of the House, doing the advancing—and consequently the overlooking.

Ambition will counteract ambition only until ambition discovers that conformity serves its goals better. At that time, Congress, the body expected to check presidential power, may become the president’s most potent enabler.

The duty to resist should weigh most heavily upon those of us who—because of ideology or partisan affiliation or some other reason—are most predisposed to favor President Trump and his agenda. The years ahead will be years of temptation as well as danger: temptation to seize a rare political opportunity to cram through an agenda that the American majority would normally reject. Who knows when that chance will recur?
还有关于川普到底是不是法西斯的分析也很有趣,原来他连纳粹这个名字都不配。
The oft-debated question “Is Donald Trump a fascist?” is not easy to answer. There are certainly fascistic elements to him: the subdivision of society into categories of friend and foe; the boastful virility and the delight in violence; the vision of life as a struggle for dominance that only some can win, and that others must lose.

Yet there’s also something incongruous and even absurd about applying the sinister label of fascist to Donald Trump. He is so pathetically needy, so shamelessly self-interested, so fitful and distracted. Fascism fetishizes hardihood, sacrifice, and struggle—concepts not often associated with Trump.
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Post by 唐唐的郁金香 » 2017-02-03 4:09

从卫报看来的:今天的社会状况,不是1984,更像“美丽新世界”。
What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture.
泛娱乐化的恶果?Amusing us to death?
全文在此:https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... ell-huxley

结论里提到几点解决方案,我悲观地觉得,愿意照他说的那样生活的早就已经在实行了,不愿意的人会继续不愿意。

又说要教育孩子skeptics。我心想科学思维的重点不就是靠证据说话。看看今天的反智潮流。
也许统计学、如何解读统计数据,应该尽早进课堂?
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Post by Jun » 2017-02-03 8:17

CAVA wrote:我无法想象美国英国百分之五十的人民是邪恶的,他们也不都愚蠢无知。他们消化信息和做出决定的方式和我们不一样,他们的价值观由于种种原因和我们不一样,在大多数时候他们和我们可以和平共处。但中国人爱讲的时势现在起很大作用,时代发展到科技使人失业,信息散播游戏化、真人秀化、社交网络化的程度,给各种右翼势力提供了肥沃的土壤。但人本身有那么邪恶吗?看着周围传统意义上的疑似投脱欧票的“好人",我还是不原意相信。

至少还有另外百分之五十的人民和我们一个阵营,所以小K不要太悲观了。关注时局发展的同时,给自己留点空间,自我保护也很重要。
完全赞同 CAVA 同学。人民不是邪恶的,他们只是按照自己的需要和愿望进行选择而已。他们也根本不傻,我很不赞同某些人(不论左右派)把投票给川普/共和党的民众解释为无知或愚蠢或者坏。人性本身就有强烈的自私与竞争的本能,你拿多了留给我的就少了,不是吗?至少直觉是这样的。The World Until Yesterday 描述陌生人的(真实)危险,也是普遍的记忆和本能。他们和我的处境本来就是对立的,他们是(几代)本地人,我是外来人。我们的利益本来就是冲突的,至少在直觉上是这样,所以当然立场也必然冲突。

川普某些直觉完全是正确的,他或许并不 intellectual,但是他对于什么东西 popular 则嗅觉相当灵敏,大概是因为从小需要察言观色讨好他爹而训练出来的。It is true. People do not care --- at least a large enough number of people don't. 他那些丑闻,确实不重要,大众心里有自己的一杆秤,而这杆秤不是 media 或者大学政治系教授的那一套理论。群众才不傻呢,他们只是凭直觉判断,什么是利己的或者让他们 feel good,什么不是。Diversity, equality, social justice 这些政策对于弱势群体有直接的好处,所以我们 minorities 很 care;但是对于没发财的白人工薪阶层有什么附加的好处?至少他们看不出,他们为什么要 care 呢?所以挺川与反川的阵营,深挖挖,确实是一种各自利己的冲突,而不是某一方被骗了。

很多方面我也不喜欢 globalization 的经济模式,就像我并不赞成 Obamacare 里面的某些(不是全部)内容,虽然意图是好的。我和川粉的差别只是,除了 globalization 之外我看不到有什么可以替代之的 alternatives,而他们还在做梦闭关锁国自给自足就能让他们发财致富,而我觉得这就是搬石头砸自己的脚。本质上,谁不想最大化自己的利益尤其是未来回报呢?我们想要的是一致的,但是得到的过程,一部分是冲突的(zero sum game见上),另一部分是建立在很不可靠的幻想之上。美国不是中国,从头到尾就没有闭关锁国过,看看美国的历史,全是 globalization 得到的好处,想关门自己玩?You haven't got the practice. 所以不管川普多想搞保护主义,这方面的政策立刻受阻。我倒是热切地期待看看提高关税,建筑边境墙,限制进口,进行贸易战,等等措施的实际后果,川皇和 Navarro 要顶住啊,千万别被贪婪的资本家给搅黄了。

美国并不是2016年才变天的,其实一直都孕育着法西斯的种子,而且并非没有在暗处生长发酵,只是我们平时都没注意而已。二十世纪六七十年代有的是今日的回音,轮回重演而已。FBI 一直在暗暗收集档案监视控制政治活跃分子,现代只是手段先进了而已。There's nothing special about America. 很多关于美国的先进制度和理念其实是成功的广告宣传 --- 此处参见 Mad Men 对于广告与美国梦的深刻阐述。

最近我常常想到黑人民权运动,黑人民众争取平等公正的权益已经争了两百多年,至今仍然遥遥无期。无他,人少耳。我们这些高知移民, coastal elites,还没被怎么样呢,就受不了了,似乎有点菜。贴张民权运动时代的照片,看看暴政是啥样的。

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Post by Jun » 2017-02-03 9:09

哦对了,还有一个我特别好奇的 natural experiment,也不知能不能看到结果。左右两边总是吵架,右边说把移民都赶走了,所有的工作就都是真正的美国人得到了;左边和移民说很多工作没有移民就没人做,例如扫地洗厕所给痴呆老人喂饭以及农业手工活。Now we will finally find out if white people are up to it. 也许遵循历史都让 negros 来干?

不过这个试验或许会在英国先进行,把东欧移民都赶走了,看看他们留下的空缺是否刷地一下被真正的英国人填满。Isn't this fascinating? Isn't it exciting? 反正我的好奇心已经完全被挑起来了。
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Post by Knowing » 2017-02-03 9:43

解释一下我并不认为百分之五十的英美大众邪恶。如果百分之五十的人都这么想只能叫普遍人性,被定义成邪恶那这个邪恶的标杆也忒低。我就是无法继续坚持认为他们是邪恶的一小撮人才感到抓狂,认知体系崩溃了耶。

但要承认他们选的对选得好选的妙,充分维护了他们小群体的利益,我不能苟同。川普干了暂时让他们开心的事,不等于对他们最好。一个癌症病人到了晚期又痛又绝望,西医说没办法,来了个中医说你这病我给你点仙草一周就好包你活蹦乱跳,不过你得先把全部家当拿出一半来供吕大仙,病人愿意横下心试一试, 拿到一剂伪装成仙丹的吗啡止痛针,打下去舒服了一会儿,就把另一半家当也拿出来给骗子了。他还是在上当。
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Post by staryngt » 2017-02-03 10:48

所以中国政府从头就支持trump。
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Post by april » 2017-02-03 11:40

“全世界的灯都熄灭了”纽约客版
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Post by CAVA » 2017-02-03 12:05

Knowing wrote:解释一下我并不认为百分之五十的英美大众邪恶。如果百分之五十的人都这么想只能叫普遍人性,被定义成邪恶那这个邪恶的标杆也忒低。我就是无法继续坚持认为他们是邪恶的一小撮人才感到抓狂,认知体系崩溃了耶。

但要承认他们选的对选得好选的妙,充分维护了他们小群体的利益,我不能苟同。川普干了暂时让他们开心的事,不等于对他们最好。一个癌症病人到了晚期又痛又绝望,西医说没办法,来了个中医说你这病我给你点仙草一周就好包你活蹦乱跳,不过你得先把全部家当拿出一半来供吕大仙,病人愿意横下心试一试, 拿到一剂伪装成仙丹的吗啡止痛针,打下去舒服了一会儿,就把另一半家当也拿出来给骗子了。他还是在上当。
是啊前面我就知道,我们当然彼此了解,不会随随便便把某个类型的人贴上邪恶的标签,不然和川普一派有何区别。问题是民主的确让每个人自由选择,我们认为他们选错了,过几年几十年他们也许也认识到选错了,可现时现地很难找到说服他们的途径。你说的病急乱投医简直就是鲁迅写的《药》,隔了一百年又重演了。

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-02-03 13:13

Daily late show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-4r9XE5EM0

我喜欢最后的星球大战梗:帝国的崛起和Jedi 的那段话。
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Post by Jun » 2017-02-04 11:02

看到这篇卫报的文章立刻想起 april 同学说的,里面把 Bannon 比作 Richelieu,把现在的白宫比作 a Renaissance court 。看看,人民自动拒绝民主与自由,巴不得回到封建朝廷。

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ouse-court

Trump's courtiers bring chaotic and capricious style to White House

Two weeks in, the new administration resembles the court of a Renaissance king, with favorites infighting and Steve Bannon a Cardinal Richelieu in cargo pants

Saturday 4 February 2017 by Sabrina Siddiqui and Ben Jacobs in Washington
The exhausting first two weeks of the Trump presidency were bookended by an obsessive fixation with his inaugural crowd size and his use of a usually solemn speech at the national prayer breakfast to continue a feud with Arnold Schwarzenegger over ratings for The Apprentice.
The Trump White House already bears more resemblance to the court of a Renaissance king than to most prior administrations as favorites come and go, counselors quarrel over favor and policy decisions are often made by whim or without consultation.

Steve Bannon, the former Goldman Sachs rightwing ideologue, now chief strategist and counselor to the president has been virtually ever present in the Oval Office since inauguration day, bringing to the center of American politics the apocalyptic worldview that turned his Breitbart website into a magnet for conservatives who thrilled to its sensationalist headlines and vented their anger in its comments section.
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但要承认他们选的对选得好选的妙,充分维护了他们小群体的利益,我不能苟同。川普干了暂时让他们开心的事,不等于对他们最好。一个癌症病人到了晚期又痛又绝望,西医说没办法,来了个中医说你这病我给你点仙草一周就好包你活蹦乱跳,不过你得先把全部家当拿出一半来供吕大仙,病人愿意横下心试一试, 拿到一剂伪装成仙丹的吗啡止痛针,打下去舒服了一会儿,就把另一半家当也拿出来给骗子了。他还是在上当。
这个比喻超级准确! :super: 同时还解释了为什么中医经久不衰总是有市场。
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Post by april » 2017-02-05 3:27

Updated at 4:13 a.m. ET Sunday
President Trump's travel ban remains suspended, after the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit denied a Justice Department request to stay the suspension of President Trump's order.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... t=20170205

推特上说这种驳回上诉的判决需要至少两名上诉法庭法官在场才能做出,也就是说至少两名上诉法庭的法官周六工作到午夜才得出这个结论。
我就去查这个9th US Circuit Court of Appeals在哪里,原来在旧金山!怪不得! 好像希望又回来了。。。川普可以随便撤AG但是不能随便撤法官!
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Post by Knowing » 2017-02-05 4:01

法庭的integrity,逐渐也是可以毁掉的。高庭从偏自由派逐渐转为自由保守各半就是里根布什任内的事儿。
所以必须阻拦川普的高庭提名,跟共和党拼到底,拖一天是一天,现在的八人还略微倾向自由派一些。如果共和党真要取消高庭任命的filibuster 规则,那就让他们取消!吓得安东尼肯尼迪不敢退休也是好的!更何况这是双刃剑, 共和党未必有足够参议员票。如果金斯伯格抗到了川普之后下一任民主党总统上台,她退休后下一任也可以扫清障碍。
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Post by Jun » 2017-02-05 9:29

我劝大家还是做好美国民主制度全面崩溃的心理准备。别指望 RBG 一个人一夫当关了,对她也不公平。

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BTW, 前几天一直有个废除 LGBT 权益的 executive order 在私下传来传去,但是到现在还没出台,我等得都不耐烦了。该不是他们手软了吧?LGBT 人数不多但势力挺大。我希望看见美国一直搞到同性恋权益高于女性权益才算完,清教徒的社会跟中国本来就很相似,女人比基男低等的事实被赤裸裸地展现出来,这样大家也不用生活在粉红的幻想中了。

Then we will finally see what the majority of women will react to the oppression: To take it lying down, as we have always done, or to organize and seize more power for ourselves.
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Post by april » 2017-02-05 12:57

Jun wrote:
BTW, 前几天一直有个废除 LGBT 权益的 executive order 在私下传来传去,但是到现在还没出台,我等得都不耐烦了。该不是他们手软了吧?LGBT 人数不多但势力挺大。我希望看见美国一直搞到同性恋权益高于女性权益才算完,清教徒的社会跟中国本来就很相似,女人比基男低等的事实被赤裸裸地展现出来,这样大家也不用生活在粉红的幻想中了。

Then we will finally see what the majority of women will react to the oppression: To take it lying down, as we have always done, or to organize and seize more power for ourselves.
好像看到说这个EO被撤了?然后又传原因是Ivanka和老公kushner小两口反对,再然后又有人怀疑这个"leak“是小两口故意露出来给自己加分用的。所以现在很晕。"we must go deeper" :dizzy:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/us/p ... shner.html
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Post by april » 2017-02-05 13:25

Jun wrote:我劝大家还是做好美国民主制度全面崩溃的心理准备。别指望 RBG 一个人一夫当关了,对她也不公平。
同意,但是要抗争到底!
刚看到这篇 :worthy: 一定要读啊!不太长。震撼!心寒!
"Ron Rosenbaum, world-class expert on the rise of Hitler, refused to write about Trump for months. Until now"

-----绝望和希望的分割线----
我都怀疑我现在有点bipolar. 在绝望和希望之间摇摆不定。
贴几个正能量的贴
-威武的华州!How Washington state became the epicenter of resistance to Trump’s agenda
-百威啤酒的超级碗广告https://twitter.com/Budweiser/status/82 ... 15329?s=15 推特上有人说“刚刚开始喝星巴克,现在难道要开始喝百威吗?!”然后川粉粉粉表示要罢买百威啤酒了。然后Slate写了篇文说这个故事也不是真的。倒也有趣。用Alternative Facts来打Alternative Facts.
-再然后是昨晚的SNL, Melissa McCarthy讽刺Sean Spicer的小品,简直绝妙http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWuc18xISwI#action=share
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Post by 豪情 » 2017-02-05 15:23

华州威武
谁道闲情抛掷久?每到春来,惆怅还依旧。

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Post by Knowing » 2017-02-06 9:58

You can't say he doesn't tell it like it is.

“We expect to be cutting a lot out of Dodd-Frank, because frankly, I have so many people, friends of mine, that have nice businesses and they can’t borrow money."

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5894d ... mg00000013
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Post by Jun » 2017-02-06 10:05

纽时昨天出了篇报道,白宫内线爆料说川皇其实并不看自己签署的行政令,所以把国家安全委员会的位置送给了 Steve Bannon 事后又大发脾气。

其实我早就疑心他根本不看自己签署的文件。
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Post by Knowing » 2017-02-06 10:13

我也看了那篇报道,我怀疑他看了但是没看懂,不知道委派给搬弄的位置有多重要。这两周搬弄最受信任权力最大,直接起草完不经过别人看直接给川普签了就发。现在川普发现这样行不通气坏了,他当然不怪自己,怪手下太不给力!幕僚长PRIEBUS趁机争权下了规定以后总统令要一二三四五六七八九十个部门都看过SIGNOFF 才能发。
还有篇华盛顿邮报的报告也是讲搬弄和PRIEBUS和川普女婿争权。忘了是那篇,开头就说幕僚们摸黑在会议室开会因为没人会用开关。。。。这喜感。。。
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Post by Jun » 2017-02-06 10:22

可惜川皇不能象亨八一样动不动就 off with his head!

Priebus 以前是 Republican National Committee 的头头,共和党代会的领导。啧啧,共和党里的 decent people 这日子可真的是不好过。
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Post by messer » 2017-02-06 11:38

嗯...好像在这个严肃的贴里不太适合贴搞笑的东西...但是我实在忍不住 :oops:

来看欧洲人民争当老二:

http://everysecondcounts.eu/?from=timel ... nstalled=0

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-02-06 13:12

太逗了!!!太像了!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :worthy: :worthy:
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Post by Jun » 2017-02-06 14:49

哈哈哈哈,这太好笑了。 :lol: :lol:
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Post by helenClaire » 2017-02-06 16:37

笑得不行了,推荐出去了! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by simonsun » 2017-02-06 16:46

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今晚来俺校演讲哦,可惜没淘到票 :let_me_die:

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Post by Jun » 2017-02-06 18:30

Amazon 今天给我推荐的书目是: Silent Spring, 1984, Brave New World. 哈哈哈哈。
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http://www.npr.org/2017/02/06/513713606 ... ctory-town

今天听这个fresh air 访谈GLASS HOUSE 的作者,这本书写的是他家乡俄亥俄州一个四万人口小镇Lancaster的历史,以前中心产业是个玻璃厂Anchor Hocking。这个生意是本地人创建,一直很注意建设本地,几十年来一直是社区中心,提供稳定的蓝领工作之外,公司管理层住在小镇中心,他们的老婆都不工作,献身医院学校之类的慈善义工。后来八十年代小部分因为全球化的竞争,大部分因为Carl Ichan 之类的activist shareholder 投资者和私募基金杠杆收购,换了管理层。一开始对工人没有太大影响,本地的管理层全被裁掉,由位于俄亥俄州首都哥伦布斯的总部远程管理,抽掉了社区建设的中坚。然后公司在几次错误决定和杠杆收购后的高利息负担下垮掉,小镇逐渐崩溃,公共服务每况愈下,人们在挣扎,不是因为高失业率,而是因为工作都是最低工资工作。因为压抑的现实,海洛因泛滥,不少父母进监狱,孩子由祖父母和姑姑伯伯抚养。这些年来也有很多重建经济的努力和一定的成功,但是显然还不够。
这是个雪白的小镇,也没什么移民,(谁会移到这里!),但是川普呐喊出了他们的心声,让美国重现伟大!有个妇女去投票的时候,说我只想事情回到原来那样。作者听了差点哭了,说这是记得小镇好日子的人。他们最终会对川普失望,但是现在,川普至少实现了他们的一个愿望,就是用粗鲁直接有攻击性的方式替他们表达了被遗忘的愤怒。
我听了特别不是滋味。一方面不能不觉得同情,private equity leveraged buyout 有很多看似巧妙实则极度自私短视的手段, 出一小笔钱借一大笔买下小公司,然后把小公司账上财产出售又租赁回子公司, 或者用小公司财产抵押贷款还给私募基金还付利息, 最后掏空了一关了之, 堪称企业抢劫. mitt romney 的公司就是干这个的, 2012年大选被各报纸揭发过好几个实例,手段的确非常糟糕.

另一方面心说TMD你们不就是想回到六十年代男人养家妇女只能当当义工献身社区建设的时代,狗屎!我可不愿意。

唉,这些人吃了亏还不知道怎么吃的, 只知道骂外国移民骂中国产品骂墨西哥毒贩. 可怜又可恨. 堵心。
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Post by vivi » 2017-02-07 12:32

选trump的可不都是怀念好日子的人。不要低估普通人的恶意。这问题好像Jun才问过。
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Post by dropby » 2017-02-07 14:06

我觉得evil的事情发生,根本不需要身处其中的人都evil. 大家还记得那个让参加的人听命令虐待另一组参加的人的心理实验吗?德国纳粹迫害犹太人的时候,其实也只有很少的德国人才是真正的evil吧? 普通人,在正常环境下甚至也可以很有同情心很有爱的好人,也会做出evil的事情,我觉得这才是最可怕的地方。

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Post by Jun » 2017-02-07 14:27

生活在民主国家里的人民没有借口推卸责任。选了川普就是认同他的立场与态度。投票明志的众多美国人民,liberal 知识分子也不必替他们找借口,如无知、笨、被蒙蔽。哪儿那么容易被蒙蔽啊,心里跟明镜似的,只是嘴上说点冠冕堂皇的搪塞一下(所以还是KKK新纳粹的诚实值得表扬)。本来就是要赶你们走,赶不走的安分点做下等人少废话。那些机场工作人员里大概也有某些人趁机铐下老人小孩内心爽一把,就好像开枪打死黑人青年的警察里也有某些人根本是故意的,难道还会当众亲口承认吗?参见 Anthony Bourdain 之访谈。
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Post by Knowing » 2017-02-08 6:42

http://www.npr.org/2017/02/07/513957928 ... t=20170207

华人要注意:这个受班农支持的减少合法移民的立法被正式提出,头一条就是要对半砍掉家庭团聚绿卡。所以想把国内父母接出来的同学赶紧动手吧。

http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/02/ ... -secretary

对华人的利好消息是:BETSY DEVOS 上任了,孩子上私校的请撒花庆贺国家把税钱还给你们拿去交私校学费.对公校教孩子同性恋可以结婚不满意的都把孩子转到宗教私校去吧!反正现在公校也要引入宗教内容平衡无神论.
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Post by Jun » 2017-02-08 8:48

不知道会不会终于把好学区的房价给降下来,反正公立教育系统要被打倒了。
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by Elysees » 2017-02-08 12:44

Knowing wrote:http://www.npr.org/2017/02/07/513957928 ... t=20170207

华人要注意:这个受班农支持的减少合法移民的立法被正式提出,头一条就是要对半砍掉家庭团聚绿卡。所以想把国内父母接出来的同学赶紧动手吧。

http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/02/ ... -secretary

对华人的利好消息是:BETSY DEVOS 上任了,孩子上私校的请撒花庆贺国家把税钱还给你们拿去交私校学费.对公校教孩子同性恋可以结婚不满意的都把孩子转到宗教私校去吧!反正现在公校也要引入宗教内容平衡无神论.
可惜我屏了我的微信群,跟大家也没什么说的了,不然真想问问我那些选trump的大学女同学们,现在是否心满意足了,吐血。哎,等等,其中一个本来就是教徒,说不定很满意学校终于也要引入宗教内容了。 :BloodyK:

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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by vivi » 2017-02-08 14:06

小E要失望了。至少北美华人网上叫的最响的还是新的教育局长和 移民计划只是对穷人,墨墨不利。我不明白华人这种踩着别的少数族裔向上爬的特性是哪里来的。国内也就是打压少数民族惯了,到了北美坐享平权运动的成果。非要给打回原形才行吗?
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by lucoco » 2017-02-08 15:14

vivi wrote:小E要失望了。至少北美华人网上叫的最响的还是新的教育局长和 移民计划只是对穷人,墨墨不利。我不明白华人这种踩着别的少数族裔向上爬的特性是哪里来的。国内也就是打压少数民族惯了,到了北美坐享平权运动的成果。非要给打回原形才行吗?
就算给打回原形人家也不会承认是自己的错或是白人老爷不公平的,都怪别的少数族裔坏了自己的好事。。。
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Re: [新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

Post by april » 2017-02-08 15:19

阳光!
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