[新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

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Post by Jun » 2017-01-26 17:36

共和党现在还指望着赶紧通过高院大法官呢,赶紧把堕胎同性婚姻等等统统废了,但是,最重要的政策是移民法改革。只进口白的,不白不许进,已经进来的赶出去。因为他们要的是本党一统江湖千秋万代仙福永享寿与天齐,再也不受威胁地统治下去。然而按照现在的移民与生育速度,再过三十年白人将失去多数地位。人家精明着呢,这个算盘已经打了很久了。所以第一要紧的是赶紧逆反这个潮流,看着吧,移民法改革肯定马上就要来了,管你合法非法移民,统统地赶走。别看川皇胡言乱语,背后 Paul Ryan 等人早就把法案都写好了就等他签字。
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Post by vivi » 2017-01-26 23:23

美国不是老吹自己的宪法,民主,三权鼎立,监督制度什么的吗,现在遇到个流氓,是骡子是马真要拉出来溜溜了。
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Post by Knowing » 2017-01-27 5:13

我倒是想知道,共和党一天到晚嚷嚷小政府,州权,财政保守,平衡赤字, 现在他们当权了,是骡子是马拉出来溜溜, 他们的日程表上都有什么? 减赤的努力在哪里?
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Post by Knowing » 2017-01-27 5:39

但是给sanctuary city撤钱的事情地方政府可以告
我听说了一耳朵是高院已经有过类似裁决前例,所以这个行政令是违宪的。 至于国会拨款建墙,他们已经准备要炮制一个A defense and border supplemental funding bill by April

华盛顿邮报的'阴谋论'说川普手下很多助手都对他不以为然,故意泄露这些正在起草的行政令内容给外界,让人有时间对付.
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Post by staryngt » 2017-01-28 15:32

现在那7个国家拿绿卡的人也入不了境了。美国的法律难道是trump说改就改的?
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Post by Jun » 2017-01-28 17:56

现在就是说改就改。据说 Department of Homeland Security 想跟总统详细谈谈如何执行 Muslim ban 的政策,被白宫拒绝了,叫你执行你就去执行!少废话。

现在已经是一团混乱,什么都不办就对了。

共和党议员们屁也没放一个。三权分立如此不堪一击。Curiously, 今天在推上看见一个记者说,ISIS 对于川皇到现在也是屁也没放一个。(我心想,不知是死光了呢还是心中窃喜。)
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Post by staryngt » 2017-01-28 19:56

星期五和欧州来的同事聊天,她担心没有美国这边的震慑,turkey/Greece那一带会不会很快打起来呢……,现在可真是....
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Post by mirrorflower » 2017-01-28 20:05

Jun wrote: 三权分立如此不堪一击。
我多少也有点这样的感觉。好多东西,很难靠精细法律去一一限定死,靠的是整个系统里的大多数人的decency和坚持操守。现在可好,直接空降一个流氓,就都傻眼了。
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Post by seren » 2017-01-28 20:29

移民这个新闻简直要成为压断我的最后一根稻草,其实不是trump怎样——他怎样有目共睹,更多是一种更深的恐惧,因为更广的人群和环境对此毫无作为也似乎无法有所作为,之前政府内部的反对声音尚有存在,最近越来越少,真希望只是被流氓整的一时发蒙,假以时日还能转过来。 :crying:

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Post by mirrorflower » 2017-01-28 21:02

seren wrote:移民这个新闻简直要成为压断我的最后一根稻草,其实不是trump怎样——他怎样有目共睹,更多是一种更深的恐惧,因为更广的人群和环境对此毫无作为也似乎无法有所作为,之前政府内部的反对声音尚有存在,最近越来越少,真希望只是被流氓整的一时发蒙,假以时日还能转过来。 :crying:
来,安慰一下:

Washington (CNN)[Breaking news update, published at 9:24 p.m. ET]

A federal judge granted an emergency stay Saturday night for citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries who have already arrived in the US and those who are in transit, and who hold valid visas, ruling they can legally enter the US. The decision halts part of President Donald Trump's executive order, which barred citizens from those countries from entering the US for the next 90 days.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics ... ravel-ban/
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Post by Jun » 2017-01-28 23:16

seren wrote:移民这个新闻简直要成为压断我的最后一根稻草,其实不是trump怎样——他怎样有目共睹,更多是一种更深的恐惧,因为更广的人群和环境对此毫无作为也似乎无法有所作为
对啊,并不是川普一个人怎么样,而是他有那么多人跟着撑着,即使袖手旁观默不作声也是变相支持。美国纳粹并不是多数,但是也没平时宣传的我们相信的那么少。现在撕破脸了,大家彼此看看清楚真实嘴脸。

星期一我打算打电话给我们本地的议员,问问他们有没有正式表态。

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Post by april » 2017-01-28 23:54

He looked like a small panther, and he moved like a patch of night.

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-01-29 0:02

真神奇啊,只需要一个trump就可以变成纳粹美国。
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Post by Knowing » 2017-01-29 4:30

我早就说过,反移民恐外国人绝对不会止于非法移民,接下来就是收紧削减工签,掐绿卡发放,加大绿卡入籍公民难度。川普倒也干脆,直接把签证绿卡的暂时废掉。我马上去给ACLU 捐了钱,干的快干得好!

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/o ... legal.html
President Trump signed an executive order on Friday that purports to bar for at least 90 days almost all permanent immigration from seven majority-Muslim countries, including Syria and Iraq, and asserts the power to extend the ban indefinitely.

But the order is illegal. More than 50 years ago, Congress outlawed such discrimination against immigrants based on national origin.
That decision came after a long and shameful history in this country of barring immigrants based on where they came from. Starting in the late 19th century, laws excluded all Chinese, almost all Japanese, then all Asians in the so-called Asiatic Barred Zone. Finally, in 1924, Congress created a comprehensive “national-origins system,” skewing immigration quotas to benefit Western Europeans and to exclude most Eastern Europeans, almost all Asians, and Africans.

Mr. Trump appears to want to reinstate a new type of Asiatic Barred Zone by executive order, but there is just one problem: The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 banned all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin, replacing the old prejudicial system and giving each country an equal shot at the quotas. In signing the new law, President Lyndon B. Johnson said that “the harsh injustice” of the national-origins quota system had been “abolished.”
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Post by Jun » 2017-01-29 14:25

如果上面的命令是把一万个啥样啥样的群众送进毒气室里处决,你猜这些普通底层职员们会不会照样执行?
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Post by vivi » 2017-01-29 14:45

History probably would say Yes.
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Post by Knowing » 2017-01-29 14:57

This is quickly heading towards civil war.
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Post by tiffany » 2017-01-29 15:27

The NY senators and the congressman in my district all twittered that they are anti-immigrants ban. I am not leaving NY.
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Post by Jun » 2017-01-29 17:20

我们本地的 Congressman 在推上直播在 Dulles 机场与 Customs and Border Control 的工作人员交涉,说他们拒绝跟四个来到现场的国会议员直接对话,拒绝接受 court order,拒绝放行从昨天开始扣押的旅客,也不让他们跟律师接触。今天缓慢地放出了几个人。

现代科技还是有好处,消息传播得贼快。

Department of Homeland Security 今天放出正式 statement,表示坚决执行总统的 Executive Orders,只有少量入境者受到影响,外国人谁也没有进入美国的必然权利。

(“外国人”包括一切持绿卡者。)

不必替纳粹法西斯担心没人支持,没人做他们的狗腿,多得很自愿加入法西斯的黑衫军。
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Post by april » 2017-01-29 21:11

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/01/29/c ... ty-status/
the federal government only spends 78 cents in California for every tax dollar sent from that state to Washington:

The state of California is studying ways to suspend financial transfers to Washington after the Trump administration threatened to withhold federal money from sanctuary cities, KPIX 5 has learned. “California could very well become an organized non-payer,” said Willie Brown, Jr, a former speaker of the state Assembly in an interview recorded Friday for KPIX 5’s Sunday morning news. “They could recommend non-compliance with the federal tax code.”
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Post by vivi » 2017-01-29 21:36

"...From Saturday to late Sunday more than 290,000 donors had sent the ACLU $19 million—the organizations typical annual average is $3 million. That figure, as well as the growth in membership, was “unprecedented,” according to Anthony Romero, the ACLU’s executive director..."
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Post by april » 2017-01-29 22:05

leaked Executive Order 签了三个,还剩三个估计下周签?关于Dreamer (非法移民子女`),H1B Visa, 和新移民福利的。
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... tive-order
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Post by april » 2017-01-29 22:18

Jun wrote:我们本地的 Congressman 在推上直播在 Dulles 机场与 Customs and Border Control 的工作人员交涉,说他们拒绝跟四个来到现场的国会议员直接对话,拒绝接受 court order,拒绝放行从昨天开始扣押的旅客,也不让他们跟律师接触。今天缓慢地放出了几个人。

现代科技还是有好处,消息传播得贼快。

Department of Homeland Security 今天放出正式 statement,表示坚决执行总统的 Executive Orders,只有少量入境者受到影响,外国人谁也没有进入美国的必然权利。

(“外国人”包括一切持绿卡者。)

不必替纳粹法西斯担心没人支持,没人做他们的狗腿,多得很自愿加入法西斯的黑衫军。
如果Executive branch拒绝执行Judicial Branch的判决,怎么办?推特上有人说Fed Judge可以派Fed Marshall去逮捕拒绝执行高庭判决的CBP官员,是真的吗?我还以为Fed Marshall也是Executive名下的。。。
如果明白判决总统违宪,难道还是要等那群没脊梁的GOP去弹劾他这一条路吗?!

维基上说US Marshals 真的属于司法部!太好了,原来司法部也有枪杆子。https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... ls_Service 老毛子太厉害了,枪杆子里出政权这话真是走遍天下的真理。服。

但是弹劾只能靠立法院。靠!
Knowing wrote:This is quickly heading towards civil war.
大选结束看完罗马共和国后期那些书后就想,千万千万不能有内战啊!否则共和就死定了。
可是看看这一个星期,这一个周末,就觉得对Cato的对抗,自杀有了更深刻的感动。真的面临这种选择,怎么可能不选择战争呢?也许我原先的设想是错的,一旦选出了暴君做共和首领,那么内战就是必然的。一切都太晚了。
Robert Harris 那西塞罗三部曲最后一部里描写庞贝大军全军覆灭后,罗马统一到凯撒手下:
Fro the first time we tasted life under a dictatorship: there were no freedoms any more; no magistrates, no courts; one existed at the whim of the ruler.
这就是现在我没法继续读"Wolf Hall"的原因,那种全部朝廷大大小小都赔小心取悦一个国君的情形太震撼了。

Cato是元老院里理想主义的领袖。虽然出生贵族但是布衣素食,一丝不苟,坚决不肯为任何事情妥协,不向任何人低头。他只认共和国的原则。西塞罗是个政客,他出身卑微,但是个政治天才,总是想找到两全其美的法子和平解决问题。 在凯撒如日中天的时日里,Cato是唯一敢当众和他叫板的。一度西塞罗曾经私下羡慕又无奈的说Cato只为自己的理想活,不为共和国的将来着想,不是不自私的。

凯撒跨过卢比孔河后,庞贝带着元老院逃离罗马,后来节节退败。庞贝死后。Cato 在北非带着一队反抗军继续和凯撒纠缠,最后战败自杀,Cato选择了特别残忍的剖腹。很多人不解,认为Cato疯了。但是西塞罗不这么想。
Cicero disagreed. "He could have had an easier death. He could have thrown himself from a building, or opened his veins in a warm bath, or taken poison. Instead he chose that particular method --exposing his entrails like a human sacrifice -- to demonstrate the strength of his will and his contempt for Caesar. In philosophical terms it was a good death: the death of a man who feared nothing. Indeed I would go so far as to say he died happy. Neither Caesar, nor any moan, nor anything in the world could touch him."
熟知凯撒性情的西塞罗明知会激怒大首领还是给Cato写了悼词,最后一句总是能让我流泪。
Sinewy in thought and person; indifferent to what men said of him; scornful of glory, titles and decorations, and even more of those who sought them; defender of laws and freedoms; vigilant in the public interest; contemptuous of tyrants, their vulgarities and presumptions; stubborn, infuriating, harsh, dogmatic; a dreamer, a fanatic, a mystic, a solder; willing at the last to tear the very organs from his stomach rather than submit to a conqueror --only the Roman Republic could have bred such a man as Cato, and only in the Roman Republic did such a man as Cato desire to live.
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Post by Knowing » 2017-01-30 2:14

维基上说US Marshals 真的属于司法部!太好了,原来司法部也有枪杆子。https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... ls_Service 老毛子太厉害了,枪杆子里出政权这话真是走遍天下的真理。服。
别高兴得太早,jeff sessions 很快就要接管司法部了.
april wrote:leaked Executive Order 签了三个,还剩三个估计下周签?关于Dreamer (非法移民子女`),H1B Visa, 和新移民福利的。
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... tive-order
我早说过,从非法移民开始反移民,接下来就是收缩工签. Jeff sessions 早就主张彻底取消H1B . 从川普选择他当司法部长就看得出是打算对合法移民下手的.

希望美国不会变成罗马. 虚弱的说. 真打起来, 现在也不是罗马时代,民兵跟政府没法对抗.
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Post by staryngt » 2017-01-30 11:18

我现在上班也没心思,虽然一大堆事要做。我对新的h1b visa想法比较矛盾。我听到的是新的h1b visa会对high tech有利,会放开高收入的移民限制。这对很多同事,尤其是国内来的是好事。但我担心,这样的话,high tech公司就跟新的administration站到一条线上了,对新的administration的general anti immigration policy就置之不理了。因为我已经听到很多人对新的h1b visa欢心鼓舞了。
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Post by Jun » 2017-01-30 11:56

我听到的是新的h1b visa会对high tech有利,会放开高收入的移民限制。
I don't know if that's true. 我看到的解释是,H1B visa 总数会降低,对于在美国招人的要求会更严格,且优先招高薪职位。我不知道程序员算不算高薪职位。不过多数 tech 公司本身是反对这些政策的,他们想要更多的 H1B visa 而不是减少,这样他们的工资成本会降低。限制 H1B visa 可能对于美国本地的高科技工人有利,如果公司被迫雇佣更多的本地人而不是招海外工人,则需要付出更高的薪水。这个问题已经讨论了二十多年了,并没有明确的党派分野,而是企业利益与工人/就业之间的冲突。我不是行业内人士,对此没有什么支持或反对的立场。

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... e-for-tech
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Post by 豪情 » 2017-01-30 12:37

高科技兴旺发展需要广招人才建立critical mass.限制H1-B, 分分钟这些工作就外包到海外了。 对美国本土的人力资源更不利。 而且现在新潮流是agile development, peer programming.光有高级人才没有初级员工在本地, 周期太慢, 就没法赶在创新潮流最前沿。 美国在高科技业的先进地位, 来之不易, 放弃起来很快的。虽然我没有身份问题, 也不是入门级员工, 我也坚决反对新改变。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-01-30 12:41

他们为什么觉得会对H1B有好处?
这种政策对 High Tech 公司是巨大的打击。不止是高科技公司。原本一个公司,任何公司,都是想要节约成本的。招募需要办身份的移民是对公司最大利益化。第一你走不了,你得老老实实待着办绿卡,办得越慢越好。第二H1B移民的工资要比绿卡与公民的平均工资低。最近几年绿卡/H1B因为高科技企业的蓬勃,好办多了。从前我们刚来的时候都是说加上上学,用10年青春换一张绿卡。无论名字有多么好听,H1B就是劳工。市场上本科毕业,研究生毕业的工资有一定水准,当经济繁荣,公司竞争多的时候,没钱的小公司,甚至有些有钱的大公司会直接从国外选择没有US degree的就业人员,发放低工资+H1B。该问的问题是,哪个人觉得没有自己公司是运转不下去的,如果换个省钱的,水平差点的员工呢?只要所有从业人员都水平差,我只需要跟我的竞争对手保持差不多就够了,或者干脆再把研发部分放在海外一部分。有谁真觉得自己不是一个headcount,值得涨价的工资与律师费,与移民局的骚扰,还有万一出国回不来给公司带来的不确定性影响产品发布?

这就是原本的未来将会是跨国公司对人才的影响大于国家界限影响,这是被抛下的本地人的最后一搏。

当然有人愿意为川皇叫好到最后一天,我不认为我有本事说服他们。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-01-30 12:43

事实上,如果这些工作都包到海外,就是为海外培训人才市场,和良好的经济生态环境,和类似的管理机制。就是在培养竞争对手。
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Post by 豪情 » 2017-01-30 12:49

很难说服这些自私短视的人。 不懂双赢的道理,只想把别人推下去。其实这个也是中国文化传统的一部分,所以说中国文化传统真的一定要传承么,糟粕也很多的,五四新文化运动的工作都白做了。
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Post by vivi » 2017-01-30 13:12

今天轮到我来作坏人了。Immigration Ban这么奇葩,完全出乎人的想象力,H1B这个executive order会好很多吗?川皇和他选的那群人对美国的经济,high tech的前途有一点儿半点儿的关心吗?H1B归根结底是抢的美国人的工作,绿卡不入籍就是不想当美国人。H1B保住了又怎样?就算可以假装是基督徒,也没法假装是白的。这才是他们定义的美国人呢。这种也许不会更坏了了吧的心态真要命。和纳粹磨磨叽叽没有用啊。只能join the resistance and fight back。

今天看到的有意思的文章

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial ... .wwv3ipnml
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Post by Knowing » 2017-01-30 13:32

H1B和本地劳力竞争利弊得失问题这里讨论过太多次,我真的懒得再讨论。我只想说,很佩服这些人的革命乐观主义精神,和不见棺材不掉泪的执着信念。反正川普一定赶的是别人,他们对白人老爷忠心耿耿勤劳能干一定没事!
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Post by 豪情 » 2017-01-30 13:40

我周末在看滚滚红尘。欢天喜地迎接共产党进城的, 都是觉得不会真的那么坏吧。 张爱玲倒是一开始就看出了共产主义的本质, 坚决决然地走了。 无论大家看着多么潦倒孤独, 她始终是自由的。
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Post by dropby » 2017-01-30 13:44

我最近太过震惊完全失语了。川普完全颠覆了我最狂野的想象。就是小K说的,感觉自己不小心穿越到alternative universe.
白宫发言人说川普就职典礼参加人数有史以来最多。人民日报也不带这么睁眼说瞎话的。然后川普还要求natioanl park servicer提供证据. 我替负责人默哀三秒钟。川普要查选举弊案,举出的例子是德国公民美国绿卡不被允许投票。这个周末,明显违宪的根据出生地禁止绿卡拥有者入境,但是最让人大跌眼镜的是国土安全部居然不打折扣地执行。说好的三权分立呢?说好的权力制衡呢?

我觉得川普上台以后的所做所为比我能够预想的更坏。完全不能想象美国总统可以这么没常识这么不要脸。如果是一本小说大家肯定会说不可能太夸张完全是搞笑。生活真的永远高于艺术的想象。然后洗地的川粉说没啥啊,奥巴马也干过一样的事儿。我真是跪了。加拿大川粉居然羡慕川普禁收难民,拿小土豆来比川普。小土豆再不好也比川普高一亿个段位好吧。收难民和排外,对少数族裔来说完全是两种性质的问题啊。身为少数族裔支持排外,脑子被驴踢了。

我也完全放弃说服谁了。那谁谁,指望川普瞎闹人民会觉醒?人民才没被骗了,他们要的就是川普,得偿所愿,川皇做的都是对的。

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Post by vivi » 2017-01-30 13:57

川皇才不是没常识,他和他的团队目的就是purge和清洗,并在过程中最大程度的捞钱。再说他要常识干啥?宪法都拿他无能为力。
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Post by dropby » 2017-01-30 14:00

不知道绿卡不能投票不算没常识? :action077:

不过我同意常识对他没用。最多就是让正常人觉得美国总统是个笑话,which is not the news anyway.

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Post by Knowing » 2017-01-30 15:18

vivi 转的文章里猜测他打算掌握一切权力,测试能够忽略其他branch 到什么程度。
还有这个
(6) Finally, I want to highlight a story that many people haven’t noticed. On Wednesday, Reuters reported (in great detail) how 19.5% of Rosneft, Russia’s state oil company, has been sold to parties unknown. This was done through a dizzying array of shell companies, so that the most that can be said with certainty now is that the money “paying” for it was originally loaned out to the shell layers by VTB (the government’s official bank), even though it’s highly unclear who, if anyone, would be paying that loan back; and the recipients have been traced as far as some Cayman Islands shell companies.
Why is this interesting? Because the much-maligned Steele Dossier (the one with the golden showers in it) included the statement that Putin had offered Trump 19% of Rosneft if he became president and removed sanctions. The reason this is so interesting is that the dossier said this in July, and the sale didn’t happen until early December. And 19.5% sounds an awful lot like “19% plus a brokerage commission.”
Conclusive? No. But it raises some very interesting questions for journalists to investigate.
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Post by Jun » 2017-01-30 16:27

这就是原本的未来将会是跨国公司对人才的影响大于国家界限影响,这是被抛下的本地人的最后一搏。
That's very true. The question is who will eventually win between the desperate natives and international corporations?
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Post by Elysees » 2017-01-30 16:37

之前看笑大说咱们的父母经历过更差的情况,所以现在还不必心灰悲观,然而不知怎么的,我只有更心灰悲观。
微软内部已经发出email通知来自那7个国家的员工这段时间原定不动,已经出境的尽快返回,没有出境的不要计划出境,取消travel计划等等。虽然还没到华人头上,我也有种兔死狐悲感。现在光是说“不知那些vote yes的人是否满意”已经没法让我有任何安慰快感,说实在的,我简直不想继续待下去。现在真是庆幸住在加州。
google今天的doodle是Fred Korematsu, 倒是十分显著的一个态度。
然而换另外一个角度想,之前就有人说过,无论是谁被选上,都将面临一个分裂的美国。当时就算是希拉里当选,未必没有游行抗议等等,我们这些生活在蓝州的人们,不知红州人们的想法吧,或许他们现在觉得无比安全呐。
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Post by vivi » 2017-01-30 16:46

我不太明白华人助选Trump是图的什么?别告诉我是理想。我到偏向于他们是我党的五毛。可是为什么有人觉得川普会对中国有利呢?我看到印度社区也是大量的川粉。不明白,美国白男连他们和中东人都分不清。
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Post by Elysees » 2017-01-30 17:06

vivi wrote:我不太明白华人助选Trump是图的什么?别告诉我是理想。我到偏向于他们是我党的五毛。可是为什么有人觉得川普会对中国有利呢?我看到印度社区也是大量的川粉。不明白,美国白男连他们和中东人都分不清。
之前讨论过这个了啊,首先,很多华人根本不把自己划分在少数族裔,根本以为自己是白人中的一员,或者目标就是进入白人圈得到他们认同——当然,以我的理解,他们说的白人也不是蓝领白人,而是所谓主流社会高收入阶层的白人,aka川普那批人吧。安宝的学校有一批家长就在讨论怎么让孩子跟白人小朋友交朋友。
还有就是认同共和党的小政府价值观嘛,认为民主党的很多观点害了孩子们:同性恋婚姻法,lgbt平权,厕所法案——这个我觉得是被宣传利用了,接收难民。再有就是,认为自己这么辛苦的才得到合法身份,凭什么你没法移民就能轻而易举得到呢,等等了。
我不觉得他们真的从整个经济战略上了解过川普的纲领。
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Post by vivi » 2017-01-30 17:20

小E说的是普通老百姓。我觉得像CAFT这种组织应该有政治和经济原因的吧。是他们忽悠老百姓的。
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Post by Jun » 2017-01-30 18:22

vivi wrote:我不太明白华人助选Trump是图的什么?别告诉我是理想。我到偏向于他们是我党的五毛。可是为什么有人觉得川普会对中国有利呢?我看到印度社区也是大量的川粉。不明白,美国白男连他们和中东人都分不清。
We have all underestimated (and still do?) the fear and hatred of women with power. 可能这才是最大又最隐秘的动机吧?
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-01-30 18:31

Jun wrote:
这就是原本的未来将会是跨国公司对人才的影响大于国家界限影响,这是被抛下的本地人的最后一搏。
That's very true. The question is who will eventually win between the desperate natives and international corporations?
My guess is in our lifetime, we shall see.
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vivi wrote:我不太明白华人助选Trump是图的什么?别告诉我是理想。我到偏向于他们是我党的五毛。可是为什么有人觉得川普会对中国有利呢?我看到印度社区也是大量的川粉。不明白,美国白男连他们和中东人都分不清。
We have all underestimated (and still do?) the fear and hatred of women with power. 可能这才是最大又最隐秘的动机吧?
有可能。。。

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Post by Jun » 2017-01-30 19:36

这是 Steve Bannon 自己说的。

http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/16/1365 ... -tech-visa

Trump’s chief strategist Steve Bannon suggests having too many Asian tech CEOs undermines ‘civic society’

by Ashley Carman@ashleyrcarman Nov 16, 2016, 3:49pm EST
President-elect Donald Trump’s chief strategist seems to think there are too many immigrants leading Silicon Valley. Steve Bannon, who previously served as Breitbart News Network’s executive chairman, hinted at some of his views on foreign workers at technology companies in the past. In an interview between Trump and Bannon that took place last year, and that The Washington Post resurfaced yesterday, Bannon alluded to the idea that foreign students should return to their respective countries after attending school in the US, instead of sticking around and working at or starting tech companies.

Bannon responded: “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think . . . ” he didn’t finish his sentence. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”

While Bannon didn’t explicitly say anything against immigrants, he seemed to hint at the idea of a white nationalist identity with the phrase “civic society.”
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-01-30 20:51

Breaking news: trump fired acting AG Sally Yates.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us ... -memo.html
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-01-30 21:53

Second firing tonight. Trump fired acting chief of immigration and customs enforcement.
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Post by simonsun » 2017-01-30 22:29

:shock:
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