[新闻汇集]阳光灿烂的日子

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Post by mirrorflower » 2017-07-18 13:10

sunset wrote:
vivi wrote:川皇的approval rating还有36%!天哪,who are these people?!
正好纽约客昨天推送一篇文章,勾勒了大农村川普支持者的心态。(作者是普林斯顿毕业生、九十年代去中国教书后来写了《江城》和《甲骨》的Peter Hessler(何伟)。前几年派驻开罗,现在不知是不是美国国内政治更精彩,又回来了。)
何伟在大选期间就写过相关文章。我看过他一篇去参加Trump集会的报道。写集会前他和大家对话都挺正常的也还比较友好;开始集会后他们媒体被安排在边上(是不是还隔了什么fence?),然后支持者变得很high,在Trump说媒体坏话的激动中伸手来推他们,一瞬间成阶级敌人了。

其实这个场景我不知道对他有没有深刻印象,我倒是不能避免地想起他在江城里面写的中国街头。那是那本书快结尾处吧,他快要离开江城了,最后在街上拍照留念,和人闲聊。本来气氛一直很友好,突然有人喊说他是外国人(记者?),这是要拍照说中国坏话,然后整个人群一分钟变样了,大家围追堵截试图抢他相机打他云云。

我一直在想个人单个拎出来,和群体的一种气氛,可以差别多大呢。当然这也不是什么新鲜事。
vivi wrote:这个听着真可悲啊。川皇是个喊着银勺子出生的恶霸,和这个白男哪里有半毛钱的相似之处?这种误会是怎么造成的呢?还是因为和老川的种族,妇女歧视有共鸣?
This is purely perceptual,就是他感受到了相似之处,然后他自己加强了这种感受。也许就是他觉得他也被人嘲笑过,川皇也老被人嘲笑,就此connect上了呢。who knows.
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Post by Knowing » 2017-07-18 13:55

Knowing wrote:我很怀疑repeal only 能不能通过。麦康利威胁说要跟民主党合作嘛不是?
dead on arrival. That did not take long

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/u ... later.html
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Post by vivi » 2017-07-18 14:00

deplorable - deserving strong condemnation. shockingly bad in quality.
真的翻成“可悲”吗?我觉得‘可悲’有怜悯的意思,‘deplorable’ 有点儿从高处往下看,瞧不起,judgemental的样子。不过怜悯也可能多少有点儿这样的意思。
右翼太能搞意识形态了。越看越觉得民主党没啥希望。
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Post by mirrorflower » 2017-07-18 14:13

sunset wrote:那个。。“可悲”(deplorable)这个词也是文中一个亮点。希拉里用了这个词大大戳了川粉的痛脚。
The Women for Trump rally named themselves (注:“The Deplorables”)after Hillary Clinton’s comment that half of Trump’s adherents were racists, sexists, and others who belonged in a “basket of deplorables.”
然后川普登基那天她们就搞了个两百多人的舞会,名为“Republican Women’s DeploraBall” :?
“It’s about creating an us-versus-them victim narrative,” …On the other side, people feel ignored or insulted—this was why they responded so strongly to Clinton’s use of the term “deplorables.” “What she said was, ‘If you don’t vote for me, you’re morally unworthy to talk to, to take seriously,’ ”…
我个人是觉得这个词比较糟糕。如果已经被称为"deplorables"了,难道我还把你选上去好继续deplore我吗?
文章开头写,本来那个好莱坞tape出来,其实women for trump的集会很难搞——然后用这个DeploraBall,嗯,又可以凝聚起来了。

文章我看了一半左右,发现果然何伟又提起他以前写过的那次参加Trump rally的经历,看来对他也是印象深刻。。。

看到一半我倒是觉得那个Magician也没什么难理解的。每个人出身不同,关心的事情也不一样。感同身受这个事情太难。他这么反工会,这个感觉其实让我想到一个类比:就是国内中产妇女反对超长产假——因为长产假表面似乎是给付女的优惠,然而显然这样没有企业会乐意雇佣妇女。事实上工会是否是这个效果?我没有做过研究不敢说;但是经历过企业关门导致本地经济暴跌的恐惧的人会这么想这么害怕,是可以理解的。
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Post by dropby » 2017-07-18 14:24

川普和共和党搞的不就是发动群众斗群众,人为地分出你们和我们,制造对立。

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Post by mirrorflower » 2017-07-18 14:26

何伟就是何伟。叹口气说。

他写了一个大力搞本地中立媒体是"fake news"的人,这人和他一样曾经是Peace Corps成员,去Slovakia工作过。这个人说,

"Riehl told me that living in a post-Communist society strengthened his appreciation for freedom, truth, and the virtues of small government."

我立刻可以identify好几个朋友有类似的感受和argument.也许对我来说,看到"truth”这个词我会觉得比较讽刺——他们剔除了so-called "fake news"之外的news,就是truth?然而如果把这个"truth"加上修饰语“和我其他信念比较容易达成一致的”,立刻就好理解多了。

我有时候觉得,恐惧这种感情的确是第一驱动力。比如对共产主义的深刻恐惧,就可能可以促使一个人努力去embrace资本主义的一切。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-07-18 14:29

镜花讲的我没理解。这个argument再具体点儿?
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Post by tiffany » 2017-07-18 14:43

我最近刚看了一个抑郁症患者的 Ted Talk,他说的一句话振聋发聩,他说:Truth Lies。其实就是 perception of one's environments 还是更加的......相关,跟做决定的过程。
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Post by mirrorflower » 2017-07-18 15:08

笑嘻嘻 wrote:镜花讲的我没理解。这个argument再具体点儿?
我说"argument"不一定合适,大概就是一种general perception -- 共产主义/社会主义是糟糕的,养懒汉的,那么我们就要小政府,低福利。共产主义国家对媒体控制的特别厉害,主流媒体都是propaganda,那么我们的媒体会不会有类似问题?果然你看,有人给出了证据,好多都是fake news.民主党太左了,等等。

这种感受成因复杂。但是我觉得,的确“感同深受”是一个很难的事情。我能体会到的,大概就是这之后,的确有一种深刻的恐惧,以及每个人面对恐惧时候做出的不同选择。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-07-18 15:48

那为什么不是去支持共和党建制派,而是认为trump代表了自己?这个问题我怀疑同样适用于华人trump支持者,如果不是trump,我非常怀疑他们会这么热烈地支持其他共和党代表。
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Post by Jun » 2017-07-18 15:57

dropby wrote:川普和共和党搞的不就是发动群众斗群众,人为地分出你们和我们,制造对立。
小美这说的,surprisingly on point.

采访有个天然短板,普通人民是不会对记者说太多实话的。美国人民经过多年的“政治正确”的教育,早就学会了用 code words 表达真实思想。

转一个关于狗哨政治的背景文章:
http://todaynewspick.com/%E6%89%93%E7%A ... %E4%B9%8B/

美国作为多种族移民国家,即使没人发动也会群众斗群众,发动发动就更有针对性,效果更好。

在广大美国人民心中,一股对于 "liberals" 的憎恨已经孕育了几十年,这些年眼看着对方占据话语权,还把黑男送进白宫,这强烈的恨,借了川皇的大嘴喷涌而出。可惜川皇手下都是又蠢又懒,否则早就文斗变武斗,组织民兵武工队镇压政敌和新闻媒体了。且看班叔他们能造出什么新天地来吧。
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Post by Jun » 2017-07-18 16:34

华盛顿邮报给我推了新闻,在 G20 会议上川皇跟普京爸爸曾有过一小时的秘密幽会,没人知道。

The second meeting, unreported at the time, took place at a dinner for G20 leaders, a senior administration official said. Halfway through the meal, President Trump left his seat to occupy an empty chair next to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Trump was alone, and Putin was attended only by his official interpreter.
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Post by Knowing » 2017-07-18 23:39

frank bruni 有篇专栏文说他俩是罗密欧与朱丽叶。好贴切
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-07-19 0:03

极右媒体现在正大骂共和党。分离川粉只能靠右派了,左派只能让他们更团结。
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Post by Knowing » 2017-07-19 3:19

三个共和党女参议员阻止了repeal only. 我为女性自豪。

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/u ... h-law.html
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Post by vivi » 2017-07-19 9:23

笑嘻嘻 wrote:极右媒体现在正大骂共和党。分离川粉只能靠右派了,左派只能让他们更团结。
真的,左派简直clueless。
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Post by Jun » 2017-07-19 17:56

成天骂纽约时报是假新闻,还要接受他们采访:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/p ... ussia.html

大骂赛讯斯竟敢避嫌不管通俄调查!How dare you! 给川皇办事还要脸?!早知道才不会让你当司法部长呢,呸。

还警告 Mueller,你小心点,你,你等着!
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Post by Knowing » 2017-07-19 23:39

川皇的坦荡和愚蠢,如果他不是大权在握,简直让我有一种围观媒体精英合谋欺负弱智儿童,胜之不武的罪恶感。
John McCain 得脑癌了
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-07-19 23:59

今天我听到John McCain 得了无治脑癌的消息,忽然意识到:8年前,John McCain 就是共和党建制派能够选出的最佳候选人。哪怕8年后他的号召力与代表性仍然在共和党里无人能及。而且虽败犹荣,8年后他的人品仍然令人尊敬。我印象非常深的是8年前,John McCain败选,他的选民大会现场一水儿的金发白人。大家在说民主党不够有强有力的竞争者的时候,共和党的情况更差。我们果然处在一个党派从新划分的时代。
Knowing wrote:川皇的坦荡和愚蠢,如果他不是大权在握,简直让我有一种围观媒体精英合谋欺负弱智儿童,胜之不武的罪恶感。
这恐怕是很多川皇支持者为什么觉得川皇代表自己原因:自己被精英阶层合谋欺负。我们觉得居然能选出这么蠢的一个人来,可能他恰恰因为蠢又会搞群众运动而当选。
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Post by putaopi » 2017-07-20 8:13

完全不觉得川普蠢,能煽动群众的人都是高手,只是我们想不明白他如何做到的,不知道如何解释而已。好几个星期不看美国新闻了,还是得回来面对现实。在欧洲旅行时不断要向欧洲人民解释川粉们的逻辑,简直让我人格分裂 :let_me_die:

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Post by Ginkgo » 2017-07-20 9:22

“He’s a great guy — smart, strong, loves holding my hand,” Mr. Trump joked about his French counterpart ...
总统级的幽默感确实不是一般平民百姓可以体会的。
“People don’t realize, he loves holding my hand — that’s good!
Comparing to what? Good for whom? 鸡皮疙瘩掉一地

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/p ... hands.html

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Post by Knowing » 2017-07-21 1:27

川皇已经问过助手怎么使用总统特赦权力,对象是家人助手甚至他自己都可以嘛?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... bf148a653a
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Post by helenClaire » 2017-07-21 8:36

Knowing wrote:川皇已经问过助手怎么使用总统特赦权力,对象是家人助手甚至他自己都可以嘛?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... bf148a653a

这么快丧失斗志了?

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Post by Ginkgo » 2017-07-21 10:09

Sean Spicer quits:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/us/p ... etary.html

这是还有点理智,早点全身而退还有保留全尸的机会。

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Post by Jun » 2017-07-21 10:12

helenClaire wrote:这么快丧失斗志了?
不是说川皇的狗腿们正在紧锣密鼓地挖 Mueller 和团队的黑材料准备找理由把他给撤了吗?

可怜的萧辣辣终于辞职(被开除?)了,希望他赶紧写本回忆录捞一笔。
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Post by vivi » 2017-07-21 11:37

好像川皇一直怀疑辣辣的忠心。都有点儿可怜他了,这么不要脸了还是混不下去。听说老川的律师头头又辞职一个。
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Post by Jun » 2017-07-21 17:51

华盛顿邮报说 FBI 手上有证据证明赛讯斯去年跟俄国大使见面时讨论了川皇竞选的事。肯定做了交易啊。这下赛讯斯可以找台阶下辞职了,让川皇找个保皇党替他,然后赶紧把 Mueller 给开除。
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Post by Knowing » 2017-07-21 23:18

难怪科密那么肯定的说FBI高层都认为塞讯斯一定会recuse
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Post by Knowing » 2017-07-24 3:04

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/23/worl ... cking.html

国会通过加大力度通过法案,放止川皇没有经过同意就取消对俄制裁, 逼川皇签字呢。川皇发推柔弱的娇嗔共和党不保护他。
"It's very sad that Republicans, even some that were carried over the line on my back, do very little to protect their President."

哎嘛,普京爸爸赶紧来保护川皇!
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Post by Knowing » 2017-07-26 6:02

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/us/p ... -news&_r=0

我服了GOP,影响那么多人的大事儿,被他们搞成二十个钟头内匆匆辩论决策的真人秀。
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Post by Jun » 2017-07-26 8:30

赶紧 repeal,不 repeal Obamacare,美国人民是不会相信健康保险涨价跟 Obamacare 没有直接关系的,把 Obamacare 赶紧搞掉,看看保险有没有降价。

老子在医药圈里混了二十年,从来没见过降价,都是涨涨涨。
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Post by Knowing » 2017-07-26 8:54

最棒是所谓的SKINNY REPEAL ,取消不受欢迎的 individual mandate , 大家想买就买不想买就不买,健康时不买生病了再买, 又拿着蛋糕又吃掉, 便宜占尽, 多好!
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Post by Jun » 2017-07-27 7:09

Dancing with the Stars 节目想找萧辣辣上去跳舞:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-danc ... an-spicer/

More like, Dancing with the Nazis 哈哈哈好可爱(呸)。

昨天白宫/司法部向 LGBT 开战了。川皇在没跟任何人商量的情况下,一口宣布反转 Obama 时代的政策,突然不准 transgender 服役。

司法部在庭审中说:
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which bans sex discrimination, does not cover sexual orientation.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/dominicholden/ ... ights-in-a

EEOC 一直用 Title VII 来支持工作场所反歧视同性恋的立场,而 Obama 下属的司法部基本上不出声,不支持不反对,让 EEOC 去办事。

且不说这些政策本身是对是错,不经过跟军方和其他官员/律师讨论,随口下令随便呼啦啦打倒一大批人(据 Mark Hamill 说军队里一万多 transgender 人员,不知是真是假),让大家日子都过不好。。。这套路眼熟吧?

这下要惹翻 LGBT 社群了。

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加拿大军方马上回应:

https://twitter.com/CanadianForces/stat ... 9573600256
We welcome Cdns of all sexual orientations and gender identities. Join us! #DiversityIsOurStrength #ForcesJobs
笑死了。以前我听加拿大朋友说,美国的邻居不好当啊,这么多年都生存在美国的阴影之下,加拿大人民心理有点不平衡。呵呵,现在可好了,沾沾自喜的优越感爆棚。
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Post by Knowing » 2017-07-27 8:10

脑补萧辣辣腰里围着树篱扎的短裙载歌载舞的出台。 :mrgreen:
川普这时候突然砸变性人是为了给健保改革打掩护吧?哼。
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Post by Jun » 2017-07-27 16:06

在推上看见好多人转一篇纽约客的文章,以及里面令人骇笑的内容,我还以为是 Borowitz Report 呢。然而不是,是 Ryan Lizza 写的,他是写真新闻的。点过去读文,又拉上去看了几遍才相信,真的不是 Borowitz 写的。额的神啊。I laughed, but ...

Anthony Scaramucci Called Me to Unload About White House Leakers, Reince Priebus, and Steve Bannon
He started by threatening to fire the entire White House communications staff. It escalated from there.

By Ryan Lizza
4:52 P.M.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizz ... eve-bannon
“Who leaked that to you?” he asked. I said I couldn’t give him that information. He responded by threatening to fire the entire White House communications staff. “What I’m going to do is, I will eliminate everyone in the comms team and we’ll start over,” he said. I laughed, not sure if he really believed that such a threat would convince a journalist to reveal a source. He continued to press me and complain about the staff he’s inherited in his new job. “I ask these guys not to leak anything and they can’t help themselves,” he said. “You’re an American citizen, this is a major catastrophe for the American country. So I’m asking you as an American patriot to give me a sense of who leaked it.”
He was getting more and more worked up, and he eventually convinced himself that Priebus was my source.

“Reince is a fucking paranoid schizophrenic, a paranoiac,” Scaramucci said. He channelled Priebus as he spoke: “ ‘Oh, Bill Shine is coming in. Let me leak the fucking thing and see if I can cock-block these people the way I cock-blocked Scaramucci for six months.’ ” (Priebus did not respond to a request for comment.)
Scaramucci also told me that, unlike other senior officials, he had no interest in media attention. “I’m not Steve Bannon, I’m not trying to suck my own cock,” he said, speaking of Trump’s chief strategist.
A few hours later, I appeared on CNN to discuss the overnight drama. As I was talking about Scaramucci, he called into the show himself and referenced our conversation. He changed his story about Priebus. Instead of saying that he was trying to expose Priebus as a leaker, he said that the reason he mentioned Priebus in his deleted tweet was because he wanted to work together with Priebus to discover the leakers.
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Post by Knowing » 2017-07-27 16:23

我的天,这人是吸了可卡因么?这么好斗大嘴又前言不搭后语。
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Post by vivi » 2017-07-27 18:12

这个热血青年倒像是和他新老板失散多年的兄弟。 :mrgreen:
又没头脑又不高兴

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Post by sunset » 2017-07-28 0:56

Jun wrote:Dancing with the Stars 节目想找萧辣辣上去跳舞:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-danc ... an-spicer/

More like, Dancing with the Nazis 哈哈哈好可爱(呸)。
下图不知有没有人贴过。 :mrgreen:
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Post by Knowing » 2017-07-28 1:08

普利亚斯还挺着没还嘴,顾全大局啊。。。

参议员又拒绝了skinny repeal, led by Mccain.

赛寻思表示他很受伤,但是不辞职。

whoops 假如特朗普下令核打击中国?美军司令:我会服从

https://cn.nytimes.com/usa/20170728/us- ... ump-order/

哈哈哈,德州众议员Farenthold 骂几个共和党女参议员阻碍REPEAL, 说要是男人我就跟他们决斗了. 共和党女参议员之一Susan Colins 跟另一个民主党议员Reed 听证会后闲聊忘了关麦克风, 全文如下

At the start of the recording, Collins speaks to Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, who is the ranking Democrat of the subcommittee. The two discussed Trump's federal budget, calling his administration's handling of the budget "irresponsible," according to the Washington Post.
“I swear, [the Office of Management and Budget] just went through and whenever there was ‘grant,’ they just X it out,” Collins said, according to the Post. “With no measurement, no thinking about it, no metrics, no nothing. It’s just incredibly irresponsible.”
“Yes,” Reed replied. “I think — I think he’s crazy,” he said, referring to the president, according the Post. “I mean, I don’t say that lightly and as a kind of a goofy guy.”
“I’m worried,” Collins added.

“Did you see the one who challenged me to a duel?” Collins asked.
“I know,” Reed said. “Trust me. Do you know why he challenged you to a duel? ‘Cause you could beat the s--t out of him.”
“Well, he’s huge,” Collins replied. “And he — I don’t mean to be unkind, but he’s so unattractive it’s unbelievable.”
“Did you see the picture of him in his pajamas next to this Playboy bunny?” she continued, referring to the picture of Farenthold that can be seen below.

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Post by Jun » 2017-07-28 7:07

sunset wrote:下图不知有没有人贴过。 :mrgreen:
这也太抬举他了,哪有 Ryan Gosling 那么苗条。

妈蛋都怪 Mitch McConnell,非要深更半夜地投票 Skinny Repeal。睡前我不小心看了一眼 Ben Jacobs 的推,我艹这简直是年度大戏,跌宕起伏高潮迭起,结尾大反转。忍不住追剧追到两点多,最后 John McCain 狠狠地在 Mitch 背后捅了一刀。天啊连 Shonda Rhimes 也编不出这么精彩的情节。现在困死了不想干活。等下有空详细八一八。
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Post by Knowing » 2017-07-28 8:32

被你一说我也去追看了一下,跟看电视剧一样,McCain 骗Pence/Mitch 说会投‘YES’? 好基友Linsay Graham 一如既往的紧跟着他. :mrgreen:
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-07-28 10:51

给讲讲吧。
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Post by mirrorflower » 2017-07-28 12:11

"A wealth of information creates a poverty of attention."

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Post by mirrorflower » 2017-07-28 15:35

Priebus 真的out了。
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Post by Jun » 2017-07-28 15:39

mirrorflower wrote:Priebus 真的out了。
刚看到消息!可见 Scaramucci 这样的性格正得吾皇欢心。But, Priebus might know where some of the bodies are buried. I wonder if he's going to get so angry that he would spill the beans to Mueller. Or whether he's too chicken (cuckservative!) to talk.
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Post by Jun » 2017-07-28 20:36

John McCain 星期二趁化疗开始之前跑回参议院来投票。说实话当时我就奇怪,都这样了,不好好在家休息,非要跑来凑热闹,这是多喜欢搞事啊。当时的情况是,如果缺了 McCain 一票,共和党推出的法案如果要达到50票(不需要多数,因为 Pence 总是投给共和党打破平局),就不能超过一个本党议员反对。考虑到党内女议员 Susan Collins (Maine) 已经反叛多次,另外两个女议员 Capito (WV) 和 Murkowski (Alaska) 也刚反对过 simple repeal,女人都靠不住。McCain 投票支持了参议院多数党领袖 Mitch McConnell 推进 Obamacare Repeal 的议程,如果没有他这一票 (50:50),就不能 proceed to debate and voting. 大家看见 McCain 投了这一票都觉得,完了,他挣扎着回来就是为了搞掉 Obamacare 的。

星期三再次讨论一个 repeal only 的议案,大败而归。星期四 McConnell 又拿出一个新法案,"skinny repeal",取消 individual mandate,就是小K上面说的,没病时不买保险,生病时再去买,叫做 Health Care Freedom Act,里面“自由”这个词就是这意思。当然,凡是对医药系统有点了解的人都知道没有保险公司会愿意搞这个。AMA马上出来大声反对。Congressional Budget Office,可怜的中立机关,国会共和党每次拿出一套胡乱拼凑的法案他们就得计算一遍后果,而且还不给他们时间慎重计算,马上就要逼议员投票,估计里面的员工都快崩溃了。这次算出来的结果是被保险覆盖的人数会比ACA 少16M,而且每年保险费要涨 20%。

最无耻的是 McConnell 等到昨晚九十点钟才把这个法案草稿放出来给公众看,然后午夜前就要投票。当年 Obamacare 立法之前起草修改征集意见平衡各方要求开了一百多次公开听证会,收到无数公众意见,总共花了七个月,才投票通过。现在倒好,新法案花一两天几个人闭门造车(没有懂医懂公共卫生的专家)。扔到议员头上,读也来不及读,普通公众就别提了,如果能偷偷地通过早就密不透风地通过了,现在只能用这种手段不让别人看见。

投票前民主党议员只有半小时发言反对。夏威夷女议员 Mazie Hirono 拿亲身经历(她最近才做手术治疗四期肾脏癌)演讲,恳请同僚们不要通过这个 skinny repeal 法案。

昨晚十一点多我正打算去睡觉,手贱点开 twitter 看了一眼,才发现马上就要投票了, liberals 一片哀鸿遍野,Pence 的手下发推说 Pence 进了参议院的 chamber,准备(跟星期二一样)投下打破平局的一票。我跳来跳去看了好几个记者的推,原来主要新闻媒体都有派人在参议院等着他们投票呢,记者们抱怨深更半夜还要加班,带隐形眼镜的都受不了了。

我想既然马上就要投票了,就等等看结果呗。等得无聊就看了看各记者的推 (Politico, GuardianUS, Huffington Post, NYT 都在等)。这时才发现这个 skinny repeal 实在是很搞笑的一件事。共和党参议员都很讨厌这个法案:保守派嫌它太 skinny(没有砍掉大部分的 Medicaid funding),温和派嫌它不好(每年涨价20%,保险公司都要跑掉)。McCain 的好基友 Lindsay Graham 星期四一直说我不干,McConnell 和狗腿找来 Paul Ryan 跟他们几个摇摆分子说,你投了 yes 之后,这个法案通过了,但它是不会成真的,因为下面参众两院合作修改两边的法案时(众议院早就通过一个狠的多的法案),Ryan 是不会接受这个版本的,我们再慢慢修改。也就是说,你必须支持,因为通过了之后是不会成真的。这样的逻辑!我也忍不住佩服共和党议员拧来拧去的身段儿了,为了搞掉 Obamacare 不惜 ... I don't know what they wouldn't do.

McConnell 就用这样的逻辑说服了大部分摇摆派,包括 Graham 最后也答应了。一边 Ryan 在拍胸脯保证不让这个大家都讨厌的 skinny repeal 成真,另一边众议院在疯传小道消息,好多议员打算等这个法案通过了,他们会马上接受!马上送到白宫签字!这就是个烫手土豆啊,谁都等不及甩锅甩到别人头上。但是两个女议员 Collins 和 Murkowski 拒绝!McCain 这个老狐狸说,我想想。

都十二点了还没投票。我有点不耐烦了,翻了几个推,有人说,McConnell 要了二十分钟 delay。又等一会儿,好几个记者都说,刚捉到 McCain 进入电梯,被记者问打算投 yes or no,他笑着不肯说,只是说:Wait for the show. 推下面跟着的自由派群众都火了,这对你就是个show吗?人民大众的死活你当开玩笑吗? (保守派都不会追什么 mainstream media 的记者推,再说他们才不会熬夜等着看 repeal obamacare 投票呢。)然后很多人哀嚎说完了,McCain 肯定支持。

二十分钟过去了,还没投票;三十分钟过去了,还没投票;四十五分钟过去了,还是没有投票!都一点了!围观的记者们开始发参议院 chamber 里的短视频,也不知是自己拍的还是在 C-Span 上摘下来的。谁跟谁在说话,谁跟谁窝成一团儿。大家都开始觉得这个阵型有点不对劲儿,McCain 在跟 Chuck Schumer 眉来眼去,Pence 过来跟他讲了大半天话,显然有麻烦啊。有人说 McCain 这一票危险了,他们得去想办法翻转 Murkowski。果然,几个共和党议员,都是男的,围着 Murkowski 讲个没完。马上又记者翻出报道,这两天白宫威胁 Murkowski 如果不支持 repeal 就要掐断给 Alaska 人民的好处,具体什么威胁不清楚,总之跟阿拉斯加的石油天然气资源开发有关系。(联邦政府把当地油田租给石油公司去吸取,然后把石油公司交的租金分一部分给阿拉斯加人民,所以当地人民有不少补贴。)

中间 Pence 出去了一下接白宫的电话,接完了继续拉着 McCain 讲,不过人家连越共都不怕你算个啥。然后 Diane Feinstein 过来拥抱老头,这下围观记者都知道大势已去。

一点半,Ben Jacobs tweets, "McCain votes no."
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Post by dropby » 2017-07-29 0:00

给jun献花。太好看了。

我忧心忡忡地说,McCain这么大年纪了。

美国的政客怎么这么无耻?我惊掉下巴。这样也不担心被选下去吗?选民也太没有底线了吧。

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2017-07-29 0:55

太精彩了!!本年度的白宫大戏真好看!McCain 老狐狸为什么投no呢?
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Post by Jun » 2017-07-29 9:22

笑嘻嘻 wrote:太精彩了!!本年度的白宫大戏真好看!McCain 老狐狸为什么投no呢?
这个只有他自己知道了。他确实很老狐狸。Mitch McConnell 在发动正式投票程序之前,总是会算好本党议员的票数,事先问清楚谁支持谁反对。当然这不能拦住有人临阵改主意,但正常情况下是没人敢对本党同僚/领导撒谎的 —— 这个“领导”不是普通意义上的,他不能命令谁做什么,但是如果你得罪了他,在国会很难办成事情,以至于混不下去。

所以事先 McConnell 知道 Lindsay Graham 肯定投 yes,Collins 和 Murkowski 肯定投 no,而 McCain 看上去估计会投 yes,毕竟他之前几次都支持了嘛,并没有正式反对过 repeal ACA。是的,McCain 自己多半根本不在乎 Obamacare 死活,死了更好。但是,星期二投票支持了 proceeding to vote 之后,McCain 发表了一个演讲,敦促国会同僚两党合作,不要意气用事为斗而斗。我估计当时民主党议员都不以为然:你现在才说这话,过去八年干啥去了?McConnell 和其他共和党议员都当成耳旁风没听进去 —— 因为他们没想到人之将死其言也真。现在回想起来,老头是认真的!

John McCain 是老派政治人,这些年看着 Mitch McConnell 把参议院的传统和规则都搞得乌七八糟,大概心怀不满很久了,抓住这次机会狠狠地教训他一把。共和党同僚会不会学到什么就很难讲了。明年中期选举,估计共和党初选会选出一大堆极右派,老头想要的过去暂时回不来了。

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其实我对于这个 skinny repeal 没有通过是很有点遗憾的。如果通过了,变成正式的法律,广大美国人民马上能感受到啪啪啪耳光打在脸上的痛。That's exactly what we need. 现在这样深更半夜的个人英雄主义,百分之九十九点九的人民不知道自己离倾家荡产只有一步之遥。
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Post by mirrorflower » 2017-07-29 9:28

笑嘻嘻 wrote:太精彩了!!本年度的白宫大戏真好看!McCain 老狐狸为什么投no呢?
老麦说了:当初奥巴马医保就是民主党一党执意过的,所以那么多人烦它;现在共和党不能重蹈覆辙。需要两方更多讨论商量。
这是他的 Statement:
https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/in ... nny-repeal


“From the beginning, I have believed that Obamacare should be repealed and replaced with a solution that increases competition, lowers costs, and improves care for the American people. The so-called ‘skinny repeal’ amendment the Senate voted on today would not accomplish those goals. While the amendment would have repealed some of Obamacare’s most burdensome regulations, it offered no replacement to actually reform our health care system and deliver affordable, quality health care to our citizens. The Speaker's statement that the House would be ‘willing’ to go to conference does not ease my concern that this shell of a bill could be taken up and passed at any time.

“I’ve stated time and time again that one of the major failures of Obamacare was that it was rammed through Congress by Democrats on a strict-party line basis without a single Republican vote. We should not make the mistakes of the past that has led to Obamacare’s collapse, including in my home state of Arizona where premiums are skyrocketing and health care providers are fleeing the marketplace. We must now return to the correct way of legislating and send the bill back to committee, hold hearings, receive input from both sides of aisle, heed the recommendations of nation’s governors, and produce a bill that finally delivers affordable health care for the American people. We must do the hard work our citizens expect of us and deserve.”
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