[TV] Hamilton's America

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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Jun » 2019-09-23 6:08

不过从另一方面讲,连所有的founding father都变成黑人了,加个女人进去也许并不是不可能?
这让我想起来 ... 最近(这两年)舞台剧开始流行性别反转,例如 Glenda Jackson 主演李尔王,Sondheim 的名作 Company 出全女班制作,我听说到的开创这一波潮流的是前几年 Donmar Warehouse 排的 Julius Caesar,设定是女子监狱,主演 Harriet Walter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9eadXzsZZI

在选演员方面的创意,总是从英国传播到美国。(根据我听说的)至少从八十年代末开始英国舞台剧就有跨种族肤色选角色的做法,90年代初 Kenneth Branagh 实施到电影里,在 Much Ado About Nothing 里采用 Denzel Washington 演 Don Pedro,Keanu Reeves 演同父异母兄弟 Don John,引起美国观众的大惊小怪。八十年代末,Michael Kahn 开始在华盛顿的莎剧院当艺术总监,他学习英国做法在剧里搞 cross-ethnic casting.

到现在至少 theater audience 已经完全习惯了,虽然影视大众还没习惯。

舞台剧(包括话剧和音乐剧)的很大问题是经典剧目经常排演,而新剧目上得很慢,想要又忠实“原著”又卡司更多的混合种族/性别的演员,那就实在来不及。实际上莎剧一早就有改换背景的做法,放到幕府时代的日本,放到古代中国,都是把原著中的女儿换成儿子,并没有人眨下眼皮。Laurence Olivier 和 Anthony Hopkins 都曾涂黑脸演 Othello。
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by april » 2019-10-02 10:52

上周从图书馆借到Elysee推荐的"Hamilton The Revolution"那本大书,每天看一章两章。昨天看到一句话,觉得很有意思。LMM结交到两位音乐剧大佬,给他的建议之一是作词作曲要多样化。"Like a republic, a musical also thrives in diversity."(大意,手边没书,忘了原话)看的我很感慨。中国这几千年历史里面,能够容忍鼓励diversity的貌似只有春秋和唐了。。。
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by april » 2019-10-04 22:49

"Hamilton the Revolution"缓慢的看到地二十三章,发现原来还有Cabinet Battle #3! and it is on slavery!
[Washington]
The issue on the table
A petition from a Quaker delegation in Philadelphia
Calling on Congress to end the African slave trade and abolish slavery, in all its forms
This petition was written and signed by Benjamin Franklin
It cannot go ignored.
If this comes to a vote in Congress
What is the White House's position?
Secretary Jefferson, you first
Tread lightly

[Jefferson]
Sir
The constitution clearly states
That the states have to wait
Until eighteen-oh-eight to debate
On whether to end the slave trade
And whether or not you want it, guys
That is the final compromise we made

[Hamilton]
Sir wait

[Jefferson]
But for a second let us say that we can legislate
Unanimous emancipation, freedom reigns, and yes, it's great
We cannot cure prejudice or righteous, desperate hate
So back to Africa or do they get a separate state?
In 1784, I tried to float banning slavery in the West
My notion didn't get a single vote
Slavery's a sin, it's growing like a cancer
But we can't address the question if we do not have an answer

[Hamilton]
Is it my turn? Good
Plantation states are packed with promise makers
Do you realize the precious time these legislators wasted?
Institutionalizing slavery only multiplies our troubles
Wait till the 1800's, and their population doubles
You all know
This is the stain on our soul and democracy
A land of the free? No, it's not, it's hypocrisy
To subjugate, dehumanize a race, call 'em property
And say that we are powerless to stop it, can you not foresee?
Sir, even you, you have hundreds of slaves
Whose descendants will curse our names when we're safe in our graves
How will the South find labor for its businesses?
How will Thomas Jefferson find his next mistresses?


[Jefferson]
How dare you

[Hamilton]
Yet still, people follow like lemmings
All your hemming and hawing, while you're hee-hawing with Sally Hemings

[Washington]
That's enough

[Hamilton]
Well you asked how I feel
I don't pretend to know the answer, but the question is real

[MADISON]
If I may, Mr. President?

[Washington]
Madison?

[MADISON]
Let's take this moment to establish a precedent
First of all, sir, we won't involve you in this
Imagine this debate with all of congress, it's ruinous
I'll reassure the South, 1808 is still the year
That was agreed upon
That buys us time and assuages fear
I'll tell the North that on January 1st
Of that year, we'll ban importation handling the worst
Once I get all this agreed upon, I'll pick up a pen
And introduce a motion never to discuss this again

[Hamilton]
Mr. President!

[Washington]
Hamilton, if we support emancipation
Every single slave owner will demand compensation

[MADISON]
And as for slandering Jefferson with talk of mistresses
Do you really wanna--

[Madison/Jefferson]
Do you really wanna have that conversation?

[Hamilton]
No

[Washington]
Madison, execute your plan to the letter
Let's hope the next generation thinks of something better

[MADISON]
Sir, we'll keep it off your desk

[WASHINGTON]
Good, do it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MadmQvJezDA
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Jun » 2020-02-03 18:15

Hamilton 原版百老汇的演出(但不是Public Theater的最原版,而是上了 Richard Rodgers Theater 之后的版本)的录影终于要播出了。我终于可以近距离看看 Daveed Diggs 的高速 rap 了。上映时间是 2021年10月15日,如果那时候世界还在正常运转。

https://nypost.com/2020/02/03/hamilton- ... g-in-2021/
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Knowing » 2020-02-04 2:00

期待!!!
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Jun » 2020-04-06 12:05

哈哈哈这太可爱了。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oilZ1hNZPRM&t=10m12s

小声说 Leslie Odom 好像胖了点,Daveed 还是老样子(也许是胡子遮住了),Anthony Ramos 怎么不见老呢。(当着小朋友的面唱 "son of a whore" 大丈夫?哈哈哈哈)
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by putaopi » 2020-04-06 17:38

早晨看到这个视频,开心了好一会儿。小葡萄籽评论说这些人的房子看上去还挺像平常人家,不是celebrity 豪宅 :mrgreen:

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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by april » 2020-04-06 19:38

太开心了!星星眼!
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Elysees » 2020-04-07 17:15

我昨儿看了,今儿正打算上来post,就看到Jun已经贴了。
我们全家一起看了,我还在说,也就这会儿才有这可能吧,大家都在家闲着。Leslie Odom Jr跟原来的样子有点差别,我几乎都没认出来。
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Jun » 2020-05-12 7:55

电影版发布时间提前到7月3日了,林巨巨说。在迪士尼的 online streaming service 平台上。

我一激动忘了原定发布时间是明年,也就是说提前了一年多,因为演出反正停了,发布也不会直接影响到票房,说不定还能勾起一定的胃口,等百老汇重开时贡献一下票房。
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Elysees » 2020-05-12 12:02

今年7月3号?今年?!那就是不到2个月了啊!
天啊太好了!
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Knowing » 2020-05-12 12:04

欢呼!
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Jun » 2020-06-28 12:58

Disney+ 放出来几段预告片:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EI40a-Fc1k

可以在油管的 Disney 频道上看见。

电影拍摄版搞得很 cinematic,有点失去舞台上那种 dynamic 的眩晕感。
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Knowing » 2020-06-28 13:09

好啊,我等于看个新版本
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Elysees » 2020-07-02 12:46

就是明天了!明天放假,节目就是看Hamilton了 :f20: :f20: :f20:
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by putaopi » 2020-07-02 14:29

昨天就上网订阅了迪斯尼频道,等着明天看!话说我已经在剧院看了两次现场,还是很激动地期待着。

Hamilton 是本世纪以来美国最重要的文化事件,想不出任何其他可以抗衡的作品了。

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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Elysees » 2020-07-03 13:04

我一大早爬起来看完了。不像电影,确实是现场录制,掌声都很清楚,而且鼓掌和笑声的点跟我在SD看的那场基本一样。
我当时看现场感觉rap感强于cd里听来的韵律感,还以为是我看的cast的缘故,现在看原班人马的现场,其实也是rap感更强。
当然电视上看还是比现场感觉差远了。
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by simonsun » 2020-07-03 17:03

原来今年夏天要放林巨巨的歌舞片in the heights。现在推迟到明年了。

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/in_the_heights_2020
Violent delights.

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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Elysees » 2020-07-03 23:32

simonsun wrote:
2020-07-03 17:03
原来今年夏天要放林巨巨的歌舞片in the heights。现在推迟到明年了。

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/in_the_heights_2020
这个片的导演是Crazy Rich Asian的导演,这导演就在湾区出生长大,父亲是Los Altos一个还算挺有名的中餐馆喜福居的老板的儿子,我2月里去湾区的时候还跟朋友在那儿吃了一顿饭,进门就放着Crazy Rich Asian的大海报,上面有所有主演的签名。吃饭的时候老板出来跟我们说话,还推荐我们去看In the heights,说是他儿子导的。
他们一家的孩子从这个导演到现在连孙子都是在安宝在湾区上的私校上学,我们那会儿搞中国年的活动,吃的都是他们给提供的。 :f20:那个学校就是比较注重戏剧类培训,安宝当时从一年级开始,每个学年,每个班要排一个大约1小时的音乐剧,一个学期得有3-4个礼拜的下午都在搞这个,一个班也就十几号人,每个人都有独唱部分,服化都很fancy。我们搬家到了这边,发现安宁这边的学校排音乐剧整个年级一出剧,每个人只有一句话,简直简陋极了。
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by simonsun » 2020-07-03 23:33

Nice!
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by 豪情 » 2020-07-04 0:47

小扎灾情中给自己喜欢的餐馆各10万支持,就有喜福居。
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Jun » 2020-07-04 7:48

昨天在朋友家派对(超小的,不用紧张),看了半场(我没有迪士尼streaming),觉得不好看。也不知是因为本来就跟剧场内气氛差很远呢,还是五年后心情完全变了。

倒是因为在户外派对,两条腿上下被咬了无数包,狂喷 bug spray 也没有用。
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2020-07-04 18:12

party上看肯定不行。剧场表演可以轻易控制住观众的注意力。让观众沉浸在剧情中,暂时忘记现实世界。现在的心情肯定也不一样了。
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Jun » 2020-07-04 21:26

的确我觉得在剧场里看的感受是很不一样的。这部剧虽然是从头唱到底,但舞蹈部分其实非常吃重,加上十分 dynamic 的好几圈旋转地板交错着转,这些都很难在视频上体现出来。视频的优点是可以近处看到演员的表情(再次感叹一下 Daveed is the most adorable)。

这剧真是绕了好几层的文化 appropriation 呀,细想拿来主义还真是美国精神的真谛,你拿我的我拿你的,虽然有时姿态有点难看,没关系大家继续互相拿来拿去,被甲拿走的乙的文化,总有一天乙会拿回去。
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Knowing » 2020-07-06 1:31

对了他们的舞蹈是什么风格?肯定不是hiphop.
我再看一遍仍然很享受,分成两三天看完的,一边workout 一边看。这个音乐是我跑步时的背景音乐好几年,最近才换成six.
我非常喜欢Daveed! 他简直太逗了。最近的snowpiercer 翻拍成电视剧是他主演,我为了看他看了两集,觉得还是不好看才弃剧了。
Elysees wrote:
2020-07-03 23:32
simonsun wrote:
2020-07-03 17:03
原来今年夏天要放林巨巨的歌舞片in the heights。现在推迟到明年了。

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/in_the_heights_2020
这个片的导演是Crazy Rich Asian的导演,这导演就在湾区出生长大,父亲是Los Altos一个还算挺有名的中餐馆喜福居的老板的儿子,我2月里去湾区的时候还跟朋友在那儿吃了一顿饭,进门就放着Crazy Rich Asian的大海报,上面有所有主演的签名。吃饭的时候老板出来跟我们说话,还推荐我们去看In the heights,说是他儿子导的。
他们一家的孩子从这个导演到现在连孙子都是在安宝在湾区上的私校上学,我们那会儿搞中国年的活动,吃的都是他们给提供的。 :f20:那个学校就是比较注重戏剧类培训,安宝当时从一年级开始,每个学年,每个班要排一个大约1小时的音乐剧,一个学期得有3-4个礼拜的下午都在搞这个,一个班也就十几号人,每个人都有独唱部分,服化都很fancy。我们搬家到了这边,发现安宁这边的学校排音乐剧整个年级一出剧,每个人只有一句话,简直简陋极了。

yeah! 我喜欢的三个人/事cross over 咧!In the Heights 我看过off off broadway 现场!也是文化标杆朋友带我去看的。很期待林曼曼和jon chu 的合作!

下次去弯曲我要去喜福居吃顿饭追星 :mrgreen:
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Jun » 2020-07-06 8:06

In the Heights 已经拍完了好像。

Crazy Rich Asians 续集喊了好久都没开始,我怕要黄掉了。我只想看 Harry Shum 其他人都无所谓。还跑去捏着鼻子看完了小说原著就是为了看看他的人物有戏没有(没啥戏)。再等都要老了。
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by 陆念 » 2020-07-06 8:44

Hamilton似乎是个大杂烩,jazz,swing,ballet什么都有一点。

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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Jun » 2020-07-06 14:15

嗯,除了 rap 和 hip hop,这剧主要还是百老汇的典型风格。林巨巨说他故意给每个人物设计了不同的风格,例如 Eliza 的歌是 ballad 风格,乔治三世的歌是八十年代流行情歌的风格。舞蹈方面的设计我觉得主要是百老汇舞蹈风糅合 hip hop 的动作。
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Re: [TV] Hamilton's America

Post by Jun » 2020-07-07 10:24

被推了油管上 Jimmy Fallon 搞的原卡司居家合唱版 Helpless,showcase 一下 Phillipa Soo。当然 Fallon 少不了进去过把瘾。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo_s6PsVogI

Leslie Odom 自从不剃头之后越活越回去了,现在看上去只有二十出头的样子 ... :shock:

百老汇今年是不会开门了。 :nono: :nono:

(搞到了D版视频,我把 Daveed 的部分看一遍,其它的就跳过了。"Daddy's calling." :laughting015: :laughting015:
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