[随便说两句]外国侦探剧

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-03-20 8:48

我没忍住跳着看了结尾。

Sarah Phelps搞这一系列的阿婆经典侦探剧新编,让人感觉很迷乱,对于推理过程与案件结构她似乎毫无兴趣,而是主要为了解构大家已经熟悉的原著,如果能颠覆一下就更好了。我有点适应困难,因为侦探小说的 appeal 很大一部分来自严格遵守“死板”的结构,作者和读者都心照不宣地玩一个共享规则的游戏。可是她把侦探小说当成非侦探材料来拍。Hmm ... that's not what it's for, at least not to me. 也许这也是为什么我对王家卫的东邪西毒一直都无感的原因,I have certain expectations for a genre. 不是不能颠覆,但是如果在破而不立,我不喜欢。换言之,如果你颠覆的是我根本不 care 的类型,那说不定我还觉得挺可爱的;如果你颠覆的是我喜欢的类型,而又看不见你对类型的爱,我就没法站到你这边了。

所以我很喜欢 Rian Johnson,他其实不算颠覆侦探类 (Knives Out) 或科幻类 (Looper),就是在类型内调笑一下,一定程度的解构和创新,但看得出满满的爱。
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Post by CAVA » 2020-03-20 9:31

不单是类型的规则,而是故事本身的结构和逻辑。把承重墙乱拆一气,再涂点时兴的颜色,加点装饰品,就算改建成功了吗?

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by putaopi » 2020-03-20 16:25

我看了开头看不下去,把小说找出来重读了一遍。新剧非常追求sensation, 唯一的优点是服装和布景很好看,可惜了。

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by CAVA » 2020-04-08 3:30

Killing Eve第三季下周一在英国开播,美国是不是已经播了?Villanelle巴黎的美貌公寓没了,改住巴塞罗那。这张剧照一看就好喜欢。

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-04-08 8:59

我订的外国侦探剧 streaming 网站,MHz Choice,最近开放了三部连续剧可以免费观看:

https://watch.mhzchoice.com/watch-for-free

其中包括上面推荐过的法国风光侦探剧 Murder in ... 剧情没啥意思,只看各地美景就好了。还有全套 Montalbano 系列。
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by CAVA » 2020-04-08 9:05

啊多谢!先点进A French Village,医生的助手竟然是Spiral里的Josephine律师!再过一分钟,Spiral的男侦探也出现了 :mrgreen:

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by simonsun » 2020-04-12 15:55

Killing Eve第三季开播了 :mrgreen:
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-04-12 21:04

看见有人推荐弗洛伊德侦探剧( :worthy: :lol: ),这里有人看过吗?怎么样?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQfcZ9Ak2nU
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by simonsun » 2020-04-13 0:27

烂番茄只有50%唉
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-04-13 7:52

simonsun wrote:
2020-04-13 0:27
烂番茄只有50%唉
但是这是人家奥地利自己拍的耶 ...

奥地利的侦探剧,在 MHz 上有一部,也是很 psychological。
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Post by CAVA » 2020-04-13 12:39

前阵子英国有部Vienna Blood,也许我已经提过了?质量比较一般。20世纪初的维也纳,精神分析疗法,前卫艺术样样不缺,是令人向往的年代。二战刚结束时的维也纳也很刺激,参见<第三个人>。

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by CAVA » 2020-04-14 2:43

Killing Eve第三季第一集不怎么好看。人物情节都在炒冷饭,除了前苏联的体操教练很有气场。第一季招牌的锋利台词和幽默,从第二季开始就基本失踪了。Eve跑去英国最大的韩国城打工,让我惊讶居然有这么大的韩国超市。

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Knowing » 2020-04-20 3:23

我们刚开始看Devs, 觉得不错,硅谷背景悬疑科幻剧,讨论讨论自由意志和不确定性。女主角是个华裔女程序员,精干短发高瘦帅气,看上去耳目一新。(讨厌看中发白。)推一下。希望不要烂尾。

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-04-20 14:42

simonsun wrote:
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烂番茄只有50%唉
捏着鼻子看了四集实在看不下去了,跳到结尾瞅一眼。要不是花了不少钱拍外景内景道具美工,大概第一集就弃了。对侦探剧我的标准已经很低了然而它还是刷了新低。有人开玩笑说这剧里的弗洛伊德跟真人的关系就好像 Abraham Lincoln the Vampire Hunter 里的林肯跟真人的关系,我看还不如,编剧显然对精神分析理论有半瓶醋的了解,但是剧情主题跟真~精神分析学简直是反其道而行之! :wallace_eek:

更糟的是男主又蠢又不讨喜,越看越想踹他几脚。全靠美丽的女主撑着。
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by simonsun » 2020-04-20 19:13

赶快来个贵国猫探剧解解毒 :mrgreen:

https://manga.bilibili.com/detail/mc25332
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-04-21 6:34

simonsun wrote:
2020-04-20 19:13
赶快来个贵国猫探剧解解毒 :mrgreen:

https://manga.bilibili.com/detail/mc25332
谢谢孙同学。真的很好看!! :love007: :love015: :worthy: :lol:
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Post by Knowing » 2020-04-27 6:10

给Matthew Macfadyen的迷妹通风报信,最近很受好评的迷你剧集quiz 他演男主,基于一对中产阶级夫妇被指控作弊赢得quiz show What wants to be a millionaire 头奖一百万美金的真实案例改编。剧本写的相当好。我感慨Matthew Macfadyen 已经姿色全无,素食男酸溜溜的说,这叫中年。我不甘的说,可他曾经是达西!素食男很受不了我的达西情结儿,这个角色相当怂,每次我一感慨角色咋这么怂,素食男就冷嘲热讽:哦,可他曾经是达西!

Devs 看完了,最后一集有点。。。呃。。。 但是整体还是很赞,喜欢这个剧集探索确定性,自由意志,无限平行空间的切入点,太搅脑子,太有意思了。比讨论人和机器人有什么区别AI算不算人什么的有趣多了!华裔女程序员当主角也很赞!
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-04-27 7:08

Knowing wrote:
2020-04-27 6:10
给Matthew Macfadyen的迷妹通风报信,最近很受好评的迷你剧集quiz 他演男主,基于一对中产阶级夫妇被指控作弊赢得quiz show What wants to be a millionaire 头奖一百万美金的真实案例改编。剧本写的相当好。我感慨Matthew Macfadyen 已经姿色全无,素食男酸溜溜的说,这叫中年。我不甘的说,可他曾经是达西!素食男很受不了我的达西情结儿,这个角色相当怂,每次我一感慨角色咋这么怂,素食男就冷嘲热讽:哦,可他曾经是达西!
没有达西情结儿的声音迷表示不介意。我去瞅瞅。
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Post by putaopi » 2020-04-27 12:06

Mathew Macfadyen 在Succession 里演了一个social climber/Dixx, 他看着脸熟,我完全没有认出他曾是Mr.Darcy! 这个角色欺下媚上,又怂又坏,既搞笑又悲剧,非常复杂,他演得太好了。现在HBO免费放Succession, 推荐。

Dev 我看了两集,画面有点creepy, 可能是离我们这儿太近的缘故。小K 推荐的话再去看看。

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Knowing » 2020-04-28 1:16

devs是有点creepy! 可是我喜欢!
女主lily 的side kick 是她的puppy dog 前男友。也是个华裔男。还蛮肌肉的,就是肩太窄,不够性感。我跟素食男说,这人要翘。素食男问为啥。我说我认识的ABC们总结过一条美国影视黄金定律,Asian Men DO NOT GET LAID on screen. 如果不幸有浪漫情节,必然在漫长的追求过程不断推进, 然后在床戏发生之前挂掉。 :mrgreen: 结果这里。。。。 :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by simonsun » 2020-05-04 5:41

Killing Eve这季,笑话真是super dry!杀起人来真是眼都不眨一下!非常好看!
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by CAVA » 2020-05-04 10:36

Dasha这个角色太棒了,巴塞罗那和安达卢西亚的房子美得发昏。

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Knowing » 2020-05-08 3:31

killing eve 是三观正确的小白文糖水剧。故事不大make sense, 女性角色独特有趣,坏的有滋有味,好的也边界模糊。第三季显然是budget 被加的不知道该怎么花好了,使劲造,各种地点的美貌房子轮流上。我看的很陶醉,素食男酸溜溜的说,what's wrong with liverpool. the narrative doesn't need amazing location in every scene. 建筑文摘杂志也注意到了,贴心的为我们截屏。
巴塞罗那那间公寓是摩尔卡特兰风格,美的糜烂。 也很喜欢安得露西亚音乐家的房子,地上的瓷砖太迷人。唉,又想去西班牙了。

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-05-08 7:55

巴塞罗那的公寓不知是在哪儿取景,太奢华了吧。

英国式 cottage 怎么看都很 ... 简朴 ...
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Post by Jun » 2020-05-20 17:37

Montalbano 探长又新出了两集。虽然作者已经去世,但他们还在拍 ... :worthy:
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by simonsun » 2020-05-20 17:52

Knowing wrote:
2020-05-08 3:31
巴塞罗那那间公寓是摩尔卡特兰风格,美的糜烂。 也很喜欢安得露西亚音乐家的房子,地上的瓷砖太迷人。唉,又想去西班牙了。
我本来6月要去的!旅馆都订好了!恨! :let_me_die:
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by 豪情 » 2020-05-20 19:47

所以Modernisme 也不是异星来的。
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Knowing » 2020-05-22 2:42

所以cross culture 很容易激发灵感。
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by putaopi » 2020-05-22 14:33

看了三集Killing Eve, 这一季里Fiona Shaw的角色开始发光,我喜欢她坐浴缸里跟手下开会,虽然有被me too之嫌,但是这样才真像大boss嘛。她家的母女关系也好笑,做妈妈的一脸不耐烦,忍受着女儿的啰嗦。可惜eve的角色戏太少了。

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-05-22 15:19

My Brilliant Friend 第二季中的服装和画面配色我觉得很美,虽然绝对不会喧宾夺主,但连我都会常常注意到。

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Post by 豪情 » 2020-05-22 15:36

身材都那么好。
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-05-29 8:15

Montalbano 剧组现在每年出两集,刷地一下就看完了。大家都老了,但水平似乎比过去更高了,一切都如此精美而自然,悬疑少了人情更重。看一年少一年,越来越珍惜。
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Post by CAVA » 2020-05-29 8:19

Montalbano一直在BBC4反复放,时间长了有点搅不清楚哪集没看过。从播出日期看,今年新的似乎有A Diary from '43和The Other End of the Thread?回头去看看。

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Post by Jun » 2020-05-29 8:39

CAVA wrote:
2020-05-29 8:19
Montalbano一直在BBC4反复放,时间长了有点搅不清楚哪集没看过。从播出日期看,今年新的似乎有A Diary from '43和The Other End of the Thread?回头去看看。
我们这边新出的两集是 Dear Livia 和 The Safety Net.
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by CAVA » 2020-06-01 3:38

Killing Eve第三季快播完了,因为缺少第一季非常明确的追查杀手主线和猫捉老鼠双主角心理戏,引入了事业疲惫?家庭关系?等话题和其它点到即止的人物(除了 Dasha和同母异父弟弟),感觉支离破碎松散无力。Eve不单戏少,个性都有点模糊了。

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Post by Knowing » 2020-06-01 4:43

eve 这个季度的确不出彩。Dasha 抢镜 :mrgreen: 我就当小白文一周看一集消遣。建立在两个主角张力上的荒谬喜剧/thriller 写到第三季很难保持情节连贯故事还有整体性。
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by simonsun » 2020-06-01 5:28

Carolyn真女王范 :mrgreen:
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by CAVA » 2020-06-01 7:22

一众女演员演技太出众了,为了看她们也值。

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Post by Jun » 2020-06-01 8:08

忽然想起,很多对于世界很多地方的历史和风土的了解,我都是从侦探小说(也有武侠小说)里学到的,最好是历史侦探小说。
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Post by CAVA » 2020-06-27 13:05

日剧断档,跑去BBC回访系统iPlayer搜了一通,发现已经拍了三季的私人侦探所剧Shakespeare and Hathaway,一听就是拿莎士比亚和太太娘家姓做文章。看了一集,有点象Midsummer Murder类型的cosy detective,胜在各种风景,老房子和小镇好看。

Stratford upon Avon当然取景多多,周边也拍了不少,侦探所办公室我一眼认出是Warwick的Lord Leycester hospital,中世纪建筑。

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-07-01 7:54

阿玛桑 Prime 上有 Professor T 剧集,第一季免费,后面两季收费。我因为看过德国改编版,好奇去瞅瞅比利时 Flemish 原版。这部剧不知为啥在欧洲超级红,被好几个国家翻拍。

因为 MHz,之前我倒也看过两三部比利时的侦探剧。一般来说,侦探剧和武打片,就算很烂我也看得下去,容忍度比其它类型高很多。德国和意大利的一些侦探剧真是很难看呀,忍一忍也就算了。然而比利时剧就是给我强烈的不适感。

这剧实际上是2015年拍的,但里面处处散落了大男子主义的痕迹,让人感觉无形的观念落后——其实意大利剧也有观念落后的痕迹,但就不会这样 bother 到我。而且剧中的演员大多数很难看,不仅难看而且是让我觉得颇为 disturbing 的长相。人物设定和剧情的某些路线也不算特别新奇,例如男主角是个 brilliant 但是有童年创伤所以现在性格古怪的侦探,说实话这种设定已经烂大街了,但是不知为啥别国的剧里采用,俗就俗,无所谓,但这里的表现就让我恶心,并不是因为俗。

因为之前看德国翻拍版,各方面都近似,让我能进行极其直接的对照。我就完全能接受德国的处理,原版反而处处厌恶,关键不在于剧情而在于细节和视觉表现。

这真是奇怪的现象,对于瑞典和芬兰的剧,我一见之下立刻觉得气场太合了,太合了!但是跟挪威丹麦剧就没有这种感觉,丹麦只是感觉一般,但挪威的剧我经常看不下去。意大利剧是烂也烂得心领神会,底线降到低谷。比利时剧就是浑身难受激发恶意。(之前看了一部法语比利时剧,也挺难看的。)

回想一下荷兰剧也是非常气场不合,MHz上有几部,我都是看几眼就弃了,各种 bother 到我。我有点怀疑是对 Dutch 语言的反感。里面的演员普遍挺难看的。德国剧里男演员一般也挺难看的,却大部分可以接受。
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-07-08 19:15

MHz streaming 又上了一部新的意大利剧。

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探案内容是很轻微随意的,比法国风光片儿要略好些,同样非常强调本地风景。这剧是在意大利南部的 Bacilicata 地区,主要外景来自古城 Matera,让我疑心也是当地旅游局出钱拍的。女主角是个地方检察官,成天带着个小狗狗 carabinieri 跑来跑去调查案件。剧情虽然很简略,但是对白和表演太 ... 意大利南部 stereotype 了,我一边看一边放声大笑。尤其是女主家里有个青春期女儿,驯服的丈夫,与之竞争的婆婆 ...

作为意大利南部制作的片子,第一集里就看见三个眼熟的演员,分别在 I Bastardi di Pizzofalcone (警察局长),My Brilliant Friend (姑娘们的小学教师),Montalbano (Mimi!) 里出现国。以后可能还会出现老熟人。

总之,就算不看情节,只看风景,也足足够了。Basilicata 地区十分古老,有大量历史遗迹,风景也贼美,还临海,啧啧,看了让人眼馋呀。贴几张搜到的照片。现在大家都很懂,拍剧专找宣传画一样的外景。

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by CAVA » 2020-07-09 2:08

Italy Unpacked介绍过Matera,依山而建非常美,洞穴民居是特色。意大利自然人文风景丰富,俊男倩女演员多,只要制作质量不太差,很可以一直拍一直拍。可惜BBC4除了Montalbano都不怎么引进南欧片子,偏爱北欧,残念。今年的挪威剧State of Happiness我还没提起兴趣看。

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-07-12 21:07

也不知是因为我在家憋太久了产生bias还是因为 Basilicata 真是惊人的美,这几天慢慢地追剧 Imma Tataranni,忍不住截屏截了一张又一张的画面,爱不释手。这剧集也太会拍风景照了,又可能是当地太美了,随便怎么拍都好看。

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好想去 Basilicata 呀,也不知哪年哪月才能去得上。

这剧的对话我还能 pick up 几个词儿,不象 My Brilliant Friend 和 Montalbano 是绝无可能。
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Knowing » 2020-07-13 3:00

我觉得我现在都不能看这种电视,太引起cabin fever 了。 我的天才女友因为刚去过还可以反刍一下。
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Jun » 2020-07-14 9:31

英国同学可以找一找 Imma Tataranni 这部剧,我看片头说 Rai Fiction and ITV movie 合作拍摄,也许 ITV 会播放一下?越到后面越好看。
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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by Knowing » 2020-07-20 1:32

killing eve 里的巴塞罗那公寓上airbnb 了。美的发昏。欢迎领包入住。
https://www.airbnb.co.uk/rooms/959089?s ... 1&adults=1

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Re: [随便说两句]外国侦探剧

Post by messer » 2020-07-20 2:13

啊这个好适合带一大票人去开爬梯!

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