My point exactly.Knowing wrote:Everything sounds like GoT to you now..
我去查了一下 Hatfield 和 McCoy 两家的世仇,联想起 Malcolm Gladwell 写到过啥啥地方的 violent family feuds 特别厉害,还拿出一套理论说苏格兰放羊人后代的家族观念特别强什么的(这理论跟中国人算数好是因为种水田插秧一样可靠)。忘记是不是所指这件事。
My point exactly.Knowing wrote:Everything sounds like GoT to you now..
这里几句话就点透了 Megan 她妈的本质。她是 Betty 那种 narcissitic daddy's girl, 当年被大学者的天花乱坠迷住了,肯定从来没想要孩子,但是在没有避孕药的年代没能不幸中招,实际上对当妈从来没兴趣。她的内心仍然是个宠坏了的二八美女,看着年轻漂亮的女儿嫁得比自己好还不满足还想当演员,心里不知多嫉妒,于是跟 Roger Sterling 玩玩过过干瘾,这一对脑子空空 act not their age but their shoe size 的人倒是绝配。megan 她妈好BH 对megan : 幸好孩子不是我的全部。
对roger, 别向我要求任何东西,别叫我照顾你。
对don: 现在让megan 开心是你的事,她离开我家时是个快乐的女孩。
Totally agree.这一对脑子空空 act not their age but their shoe size 的人倒是绝配。
Opposites attract. Is that how Betty lose her charm to Don?In contrast to his insatiable and unnameable desires and thirst, she seemed to glow as a goddess who will cure Tantalus. Now that she reveals herself as just another actress-wanna-be with real desires, pursuits, and disappointments, she is but an ordinary person like he.
这一季太好看了。我觉得甚至超过了第一季。每个人物的命运都或多或少有了转折。Roger 和 Don 在新老婆身边打个转又回到老身份上。最后一集的结尾明显暗示Don 又要开始乱搞又开始与童年不愉快的回忆纠缠不清。Peggy 挣脱了Don 的羽翼,广告业似乎开始重视女性copywriter 的重要性。Peggy 冒天下之大不韪开始同居,Joan 放弃头三季的做的好不如嫁得好的想法离了婚又挤进公司合伙人的位子。Pete 在有点灵魂的小人路上继续前进。Lane 真惨。我继续认为 Megan 是Betty 的年轻化身。我看得很激动,不觉得depressing.Jun wrote:This season is soooooo depressing. Ugh give me ECT now!
The ending gives me chills! AHAHAHAHAHA! The tracking shot of Don walking away gives me the goosebumps.
I cannot speak for any other character except Peggy, but I feel like I can finaly say with confidence that I am in Don Draper's head. I know most of what he is thinking, why he delayed seeing a dentist, why he gave Megan the ad job, etc. The scene in which he watched Megan's audition film reminds me of an older episode, "Carousel," in which he sold Kodak on his ad campaign by showing them a slide show of his photos with Betty and the kids. Note the double entendre of "projection" in both scenes.
I'm afraid Megan's pursuit of the ad spot will cause her to fall in Don's eyes. He fell in love with her because he thought she was the golden girl who did not want anything (note that Peggy perceived her in the same way). In contrast to his insatiable and unnameable desires and thirst, she seemed to glow as a goddess who will cure Tantalus. Now that she reveals herself as just another actress-wanna-be with real desires, pursuits, and disappointments, she is but an ordinary person like he.
NEVER!也许只有Don 和 Peggy 走在一起才能走进新世界观
嗨,那个没有role model 年代一开始就奔独立自主去的女性有几个啊,其它路走走走不通被现实逼上了独立的道路。Joan 放弃头三季的做的好不如嫁得好的想法离了婚又挤进公司合伙人的位子。
这个推理我也认为不对。我不是很清楚六十年代有没有第一代抗抑郁症药物 (tricyclic antidepressant) imipramine。那时候是不再搞前额叶切除手术了,但是治疗重度抑郁症的方法还是极其有限,electric shock therapy 是颇为常见的治疗方法。当时的手段现在看来相当野蛮,既不全身麻醉,而且电压很高,失忆的副作用非常常见而严重。现在的 electroconvulsive therapy 经过几十年的实践调节和其他手段(如全身麻醉技术的完善),电压很低,失忆的现象也颇为罕见。而且 ECT 的确有效而且见效速度快,至今仍然是治疗重度抑郁症临床有效率最高的治疗选择。Pete 婚外情的老公是发现了老婆的外遇所以把她送去电击治疗的是不是?而且好像每次发生这种情况他都把她送去电击让她忘掉婚外恋的是不是?真令人毛骨悚然。我是不是看错了?
我的理解是他们夫妻俩都很苦闷。太太屡次找外遇是苦闷/抑郁症的结果而不是原因。老公找外遇也是苦闷的结果,加上对太太的报复。如果把“电击治疗”换成吃减肥药上瘾就是美国六十年代家庭主妇的典型。笑嘻嘻 wrote:这样说来小人Pete在走Don-wanna-be的路?
Pete 外遇那个是对话里的感觉。表面上那姑娘是治疗抑郁症。但她最后一次找Pete上来就明确说明电击之后她不会记得他,就跟从前一样。后来在火车上Pete对她老公爆发说你怎么能对她这样!你巴不得她进疗养院。她老公马上醒悟:原来是你!每次她都会抓个最顺手的。换句话说她老公知道她的每次外遇。
这段话里有很多信息,我个人认为,提供了很多 Don Draper 这个谜语的答案。为什么第四季结尾 Don 突然跟 Megan 结婚?原因之一(即使不是唯一的原因)是当时 Faye Miller 给他近似最后通牒,accept yourself and move on to be with me, or continue to live a fake life and break up。Don 知道选择后者是错误的,但是前者让他惊恐已极,所以他选择了逃走,这条逃走的路就是 Megan。Q.Having Don remain married to Megan has had ramifications throughout this season. When did you make that decision that her character would play this integral role?
A.I made the decision last year when I cast Jessica [Paré]. For me, I was saying, Don is someone who has chosen this woman because he wants to be a new kind of person. He doesn’t want to do what Faye said, which is accept himself and move on. The attractiveness of her youth is very, very positive for him. This is the wife where he’s going to do it right – where he’s a more free footing and he knows everything. But this woman has her own life, and it’s this disturbing process for Don, of loving someone and saying, We’re one soul, we’re one person – but that person is me. I thought it was a great way to find out so much about Don and what his aspirations were.
这段对我很有启迪,让我能够开始理解Don. 他的确特别喜欢说这句,几乎见人的第一句都是这个。难怪我一直不能理解Don,原来他只是个表象的壳子。Don Draper 这个人物看似云山雾罩的,其实揭穿了也不是多么神秘的。Matt Weiner 曾经在某个访谈中说过一件事,几乎每一集里,Don 都会至少说一次同样的话(用词可能小小变化):What do you want me to say? 暗示的是他时时刻刻地在问别人,Who do you want me to be? I will be your dream, your fantasy, your projection, whoever you want me to be. 而真实的 Dick Whitman,连他自己都拒绝接受,恨不得 Dick 象 Adam 一样自绝于人民,永远不要来骚扰光鲜完美的 Don Draper 的生活。麻烦之处在于,Dick Whitman 让他躲也躲不过,仿佛 Adam 的鬼魂;而 Don Draper 只是一个壳子,里面空空的什么也没有。
退休但是仍然 obsessed 的编辑说,这里笑嘻嘻想说的是 copywriter,不是 typewriter,因为可能引起歧义,打字机还不如秘书呢。在公司做秘书不如typewriter 酷,所以要老公让自己去当typewriter。
Lane 不是 Don 逼死的么?It's explained in episode 12.笑嘻嘻 wrote:对了,Lane 之死跟Don 有什么关系?
那不叫嫉妒,叫失望。roger 娶年轻女秘书是意料之中,连Don 也干这种事情未免太令人失望。尤其don 还跑来跟peggy 说:megan 很崇拜你. 别人这么说不希奇,全公司都以为peggy 是靠跟don 睡觉被提拔上copywriter 的。don 这么说就太气人了,一下就把她多年努力抹个干干净净,说的好象megan 是在学她样子要跟老板睡上去似的. 把peggy 不忿坏了!Jun wrote:Megan嫁了Don的时候及辞职的时候,Peggy和Joan嘀咕时有点嫉妒流露,倒挺真实的。不过之后也没下文了。按理说Joan过去一直想钓金龟,应该嫉妒更强烈一些。
那当然,其实寻短见的人谁是真的没有其他路可走?只是当时在当事人的脑子里无路可走是现实,虽然实际上是主观的迷糊思想。就好象 Don 当时就觉得如果 Adam 把他的真实身份暴露了,或者他当时跟 Adam 坦白了,他自己就无路可走,那也是主观的迷糊思想,虽然他自己觉得危险再真不过。笑嘻嘻 wrote:我虽然理解Lane 和 Adam 的选择,但也不觉得他们真的没有其他路可走。
Don Draper 就是这样子的,他把壳子当成自己了。为什么给他取个名字叫 Draper?在这里 Weiner 玩了一把狄更斯,名如其人。Don Draper 的一切都是表象与实质的冲突。为什么这部戏设定在广告界?因为现代广告卖的就是一个美化、改装、子虚乌有的 identity,不管消费者有多丑,广告卖给他一个“我很美”的幻觉。消费者爽一把,广告与产品赚一把,皆大欢喜。笑嘻嘻 wrote:另外如果 Don Draper 这个人都是个壳子,怎么能怪他把壳子看得比命重要?而且他小时候是家暴受害者,半弟则是家里的宝贝,他好像跟半弟也没什么感情。