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Post by Knowing » 2012-05-23 7:31

wishfull thinking. 片头往下掉的显然是don.
Dr Miller won't take Don back, she is gone.
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Post by Jun » 2012-05-23 7:55

小K 看了最近一集里 Lane 的税务危机有没有戚戚?

Don 也许会死,但不一定会自杀。
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Post by Knowing » 2012-05-23 8:28

我还没看到。怎么,lane 也被英美政府双重征税了?
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Post by Jun » 2012-05-23 8:47

Knowing wrote:我还没看到。怎么,lane 也被英美政府双重征税了?
Apparently Lane owed a lot of tax to her majesty, which pushed him into desperate action ...
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Post by Knowing » 2012-05-23 10:21

戚戚 :mrgreen: 我们老实人总是莫明其妙的欠税。。。
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Post by putaopi » 2012-05-24 19:18

笑嘻嘻觉得Betty 漂亮? 她简直是照着芭比长的,太标准化了。我更喜欢Megan的长相,有特点,活色生香。这一集里全剧最性感最有魅力的一对男女终于有了对手戏,Joan和Don, 两个人在那儿哗哗哗地放电,太厉害了。 印象中这两个人从没有过这么长时间的对演。

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2012-05-24 19:33

虚弱地说连某人都嫌弃Betty呆。Betty是公主病里最漂亮的,我对年轻漂亮给的分数特别多。Megan的性格形象我都喜欢,她长头发是的摸样也漂亮。这季绞了短头就缺点突出了。我也明白编剧喜欢她,女角里她的戏份最多,因为她的性格还有可塑性。可是她一张嘴,我会忍不住轻轻一偏头来转移视线。
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Post by putaopi » 2012-05-25 4:05

笑嘻嘻你这个美国人,最看重牙口。可是除了美国以外的世界里,不整牙的人算是常态呵。我记得读NY Times的北京奥运专栏,有个ABC的记者边看开幕式便发生身份危机,说无论如何也不能对电视屏幕上那些牙齿里出外进的中国运动员产生文化认同 :mrgreen:

Betty是个教科书美人,美国梦的女主角,她就是被这么养大的。我很奇怪难道Don比Henry有钱?还是说Henry的钱都在他妈妈的遗产里呢?Betty跟Don在一起的时候还家里雇了个helper,自己可以出去骑骑马,跟小男生眉来眼去的。现在好像只能靠恶婆婆看孩子了。

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Re: 埋头苦看 mad men

Post by Jun » 2012-05-25 9:49

Betty 不出门是因为她生了三个儿女之后终于中年发福了。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2012-05-25 23:06

我终于赶上进度了。
哇,Joan 和Don 的对手戏太好看了。再不能比Joan 更活色生香风情万种了。连Don 都是他最可爱最有灵魂最接近他自我的时刻。Don 象那种艺术家,得到了家庭幸福心灵的平静就失去了创作力,两者不可兼得。我瞧着Megan就要往花瓶是怎么炼成的路子上走了。呵呵。
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Post by Jun » 2012-05-26 18:58

笑嘻嘻 wrote:我也明白编剧喜欢她,女角里她的戏份最多,因为她的性格还有可塑性。可是她一张嘴,我会忍不住轻轻一偏头来转移视线。
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: 呵呵呵,我很明白笑嘻嘻在说什么,只不过我个人的反应是恶趣味地盯着她的暴牙看。
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Post by Jun » 2012-05-28 15:59

Holy FS! Pete is f***ing unbelievable.

I've quit jobs a few times in my life. Peggy's exit is as close to describing those feelings as I have ever seen, although I've never had a Don Draper on any of those jobs.

Maybe the death of the season will be Lane's.
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Post by vivi » 2012-05-28 21:08

Pete 把我给恶心的。。。Roger太让人失望了,虽然期望也从来不高。
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Post by Knowing » 2012-05-29 7:15

is Ted Chaough reappearing? He is HILARIOUS!
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Post by Jun » 2012-05-29 7:24

是啊,Peggy 辞职的时候说要去Chaough那里,Don 脸色都变了。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2012-05-30 2:23

啊,我明白你们的感慨了!跟在后面一起说:Pete 真让人恶心!Roger 的反应大概是压倒Joan 的最后一根稻草,她明白只能靠自己了。Peggy ! Peggy 寂寞地在欢庆的人群中收拾东西走人,最后对着电梯笑了。真可爱。Don 的反应也很真实。每个人物可真丰满啊。我不希望Lane 死,他还挺可爱的。

然后忍不住加两条。暴牙Megan 这可有点奸啊,明明是她已经是阔太太不愿意被人用筛女演员那种看人肉的情形看,回家却变成她是一切以Don 为重。编剧真是偏心Don。另,庆祝Peggy 工资涨到1万9!对比主贴中的数字,还有Joan 成为股东,这会不会是编剧在同工同酬的历史上走得过快呢?
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Post by Knowing » 2012-05-30 3:03

那peggy离开了SCDP 会消失吗?应该不会吧,不然我就不看了。
等我这周末补完课跟你们讨论啊!
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Post by Jun » 2012-05-30 5:11

说实话我不明白为什么Don总是对Megan辞职的事情耿耿于怀。别人有个glamorous演员老婆高兴还来不及呢,又不是养不起,又不是什么奢侈的追求,他对太太的事业总有那么大的醋劲儿干什么?

Peggy 不会消失的,我认为,否则女观众会呼啦啦集体叛变的。这剧集里的女性人物总不能留下一个阔太太业余演员,一个老派女人(不管怎么说 Joan 毕竟是老派的),一个基本没戏的 Betty 撑着。
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Post by Knowing » 2012-05-30 5:31

peggy 是主要女性角色里唯一不美貌不伶俐的,她一走我不知道该往谁身上project . 要拴住观众长期追看不提供一个project 对象还是不行的。
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Post by Jun » 2012-05-30 8:11

Peggy 是最贴近现代工作女性的角色,其他三人都不是。
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Post by putaopi » 2012-05-31 4:21

关于Joan, Lane投赞成票我可以想象得到,因为他急需用钱填窟窿,可Roger为什么呢?还是Don高风亮节,怪不得女人都爱他。Don和Joan最近互动这么多,不会把他俩搞在一起吧?

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Post by Knowing » 2012-05-31 6:47

喜欢Peggy 对着电梯的笑容!
Pete 非常正常就是it is so Pete! 他一直都是这么个人,我完全不意外。roger也非常的就是roger,关键时候没脊梁的老公子哥儿。
这个事情编的太寸了,好像就是给Joan 一个台阶升合伙人。
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Post by Jun » 2012-05-31 7:55

这个桥段我也觉得有点让人不舒服。同时不得不佩服剧组的勇气,事先肯定知道电视上没有人敢写敢拍这样的桥段,肯定会让很多观众不爽(包括我)。
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Post by Knowing » 2012-05-31 9:09

你是说一群男人合伙出卖女同事的桥段?我倒觉得在他们心里不应该那么挣扎,不见得比陪上妓院更糟糕,从头几季看来办公室里working girls 都是可以睡的。joan 苦着脸做牺牲装也有点假,她的性格,如果决定去一定面带春风把对方敷衍的好好的。你忘了她以前的那些糖爹?
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Post by Jun » 2012-05-31 10:14

这能一样么?以前找糖爹是自愿的,这是在股东压力下卖的。我觉得挺恶心的,但是又怀疑这种事并不罕见,只是在文艺作品里罕见。
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Post by Knowing » 2012-05-31 10:22

股东没有逼她,只是诱惑她, 她又还了价. 这怎么不是自愿?内心矛盾是自己的事情。
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Post by Jun » 2012-05-31 10:30

单亲妈妈在六十年代,在SCDP好不容易混到这个位置,她总不能一怒之下甩手辞职。我觉得很有“羊脂球”的感觉。
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Post by Knowing » 2012-05-31 11:28

pete 又不掌握大权,joan不去不会被迫辞职的。Lane 刚哭诉过joan不在的时候一切乱七八遭, 逼她辞职对SCDP一点好处都没有。为这个生气闹辞职,joan 还不至情商那么低。你看她处理lane 吻她的事情多么有条有理。
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Post by camellia » 2012-05-31 16:23

我觉得Joan委屈的是Pete说公司全部的partner一致同意把她卖了, 尤其是她孩子的老爸. 能选择5%情商相当高啊, 想想从今后都怎么跟这几个人共事.

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Post by Knowing » 2012-05-31 21:51

对了,roger 是什么时候知道孩子是他的?以前没提过,我以为Joan根本不打算告诉他。
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Post by Jun » 2012-05-31 22:07

Knowing wrote:对了,roger 是什么时候知道孩子是他的?以前没提过,我以为Joan根本不打算告诉他。
好像是上季的结尾时告诉他的。反正本季一开始 Roger 就知道了。
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Post by Knowing » 2012-06-01 10:16

是吗?这季开头roger 冲过来说that's my baby 的时候joan 脸色一变,我还以为他不知道所以这话很逗。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2012-06-01 14:44

我觉得比羊脂球更惨。她的确是很珍惜这份工资,休产假看见公司的招聘广告都气急败坏地跑回来质问。回头还得继续跟几个vote 没vote的人共事。
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Post by vivi » 2012-06-01 20:28

Pete这个烂pimp比我想像得还可恨。Joan说'you can't afford me' 被他传话成她待价而沽,回来又说得像是大家都希望她卖,也不提Don反对的事儿。Ken当时也在,也没见他急着去pimp.
这集写的不错啊,每个人都有点下心思。Lane怕Joan要cash露了他的马脚。Don也想证明他的实力吧,可惜还是ginsberg的idea.
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Post by Jun » 2012-06-01 21:40

Ken 真倒霉,好心却被 Peggy 骂了。
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Post by Knowing » 2012-06-03 21:04

Lane 好可怜。。。
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Post by Jun » 2012-06-04 14:50

我觉得这个桥段太 contrived 了。Lane 之所以欠税本来也是因为卖了股票帮 SCDP,需要八千块交税的时候为什么不在董事会里提出来?其他任何一个董事都会乐意借给他这笔钱。为什么需要伪造 Don 的签名?

本来一季里有一段有点编造痕迹的桥段还可以原谅,但是这段和 Joan 那段放在一起让人觉得这一季的总体水平下降了。
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Post by Knowing » 2012-06-04 15:12

是有点牵强。不过那时候八千相当于现在八万吧。前面对LANE 的背景有很多描述,强悍的TYWIN 般的父亲,老婆一头雾水,本人很好面子又很矜持于自己的操守,他象是那种死活开不了口借钱,又会一时情急做傻事的人。
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Post by Jun » 2012-06-04 15:29

换了现在大概也没有八万,五六万吧,又不是借不到的巨额。而且 Lane 自己后来解释了(你大概还没看第12集),他去银行借了五万块的贷款,其实他一早自己拿卖股票的钱投进公司五万块,所以才会需要补税给女王政府,有什么可羞耻说不出口呢?
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2012-06-04 22:15

管朋友借钱说得过去,但其他合伙人算不上他朋友。他还是移民时间短,我不能感觉怪他。Joan 我觉得是全剧最大胆的部分了,我很佩服,很合年代的背景,故事放到今天我就不会象这样无限地同情。
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Post by kosm » 2012-06-07 17:22

终于看了11集,叹口气,真的编得太大胆了,得了大量的奖绝对是勇气来源啊!每个人都演得很好,看得我不断叹气。don 和 joan 不会走在一起吧?我觉得他俩特别地理解珍惜对方,到了那种不敢妄动的地步。
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Post by Knowing » 2012-06-11 7:54

多谢vivi 贴的这个访谈。
原来lane suicide和joan indecent proposal 都是有真实事件打底子的,难怪他们敢这么编。
昨天晚上的season finale 没有太大波澜,我倒觉得不错,过去两集动作太大观众需要缓一缓。
我好喜欢peggy 的情节,她一定不会消失的!(捏着拳头)
megan 她妈好BH 对megan : 幸好孩子不是我的全部。
对roger, 别向我要求任何东西,别叫我照顾你。
对don: 现在让megan 开心是你的事,她离开我家时是个快乐的女孩。
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Post by vivi » 2012-06-11 9:33

Knowing wrote: megan 她妈好BH 对megan : 幸好孩子不是我的全部。
我觉得很多父母是折磨想的,只有她说出来。
Don整出戏里都皱着眉头,所以他见到Peggy时那种偶遇故人的微笑就特别好看。他们坐着说话是一种完全朋友之间平起平坐的感觉。
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Post by Jun » 2012-06-11 12:04

That Joan's "indecent proposal" was based on real occurrences is obvious. The shocking part is that Weiner decided to put it into the TV show. It takes a lot of nerves to do it because it is entirely against all the unspoken rules of American popular culture and entertainment.

Americans do not want to be reminded how ugly and greedy and materialistic they themselves really are. This is not to say that other people are not ugly, greedy, or materialistic, just that there is a kind of moral puritanism and naivete with American (white middle-class) audience that they want to see themselves as good and wholesome. Sex and money cause a lot of disturbance in their conscience; they do not want to see any such thing in their escape entertainment.

Nevertheless, I feel Joan's situation was somewhat contrived because the condition for her selling her body was just a bit too neat and pat. It happened too fast and too clean, and other people's reactions and conflicts are questionable.
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Post by camellia » 2012-06-11 13:23

Jun, have you watched Hatfields & McCoys? It's pretty interesting on Hatfield's side.

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Post by Jun » 2012-06-11 13:41

camellia wrote:Jun, have you watched Hatfields & McCoys? It's pretty interesting on Hatfield's side.
I cut my cable a while ago, so no ... I haven't watched it. Any good?
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Re: 埋头苦看 mad men

Post by camellia » 2012-06-11 14:05

It's very complicated. The story is based on the most famous feud in US history. And the interesting part to me is they actually put all the dirty things which happened in old south on the show. Killing is R rated, law enforcement can be bought, and "bad/evil" person lives till the last. And also Anse Hatfield (played by Kevin Costner) was a non believer, so you can hear a lot of anti-god conversation.

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Re: 埋头苦看 mad men

Post by Jun » 2012-06-11 14:14

camellia wrote:It's very complicated. The story is based on the most famous feud in US history. And the interesting part to me is they actually put all the dirty things which happened in old south on the show. Killing is R rated, law enforcement can be bought, and "bad/evil" person lives till the last. And also Anse Hatfield (played by Kevin Costner) was a non believer, so you can hear a lot of anti-god conversation.
Hah! Interesting. Sounds like a real-life, American version of "Game of Thrones." :mrgreen:
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Re: 埋头苦看 mad men

Post by Knowing » 2012-06-11 16:59

Everything sounds like GoT to you now.. :mrgreen:
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