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Post by 洛洛 » 2009-04-29 12:48

幻儿 wrote:还一会儿冷一会儿热的,这还让不让人活了!
dc前两天的天气也是够呛,我怀疑有90度,但是气象预报压下10度来。
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Post by tiffany » 2009-04-29 12:53

我们市长都说了,就是garden viariety 的感冒,每年春天都有,不用紧张.....

不过是据说纽约这边儿的病毒都比较温和。
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Post by Jun » 2009-04-29 12:55

All the US cases have been mild. The only death reported today was a 23-month child in Texas who was infected in Mexico.

So far the death rate is about 6% in Mexico, which is not different from other strains of influenza. And within 6 months we will almost certainly have a vaccine.

There is absolutely no need to panic.
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2009-04-29 12:59

good, good, 我很安心听到这个。
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Post by 豪情 » 2009-04-29 13:21

一会冷一会热加州也一样啊, 下班回家的温度两天内就从95到52, 简直抽疯.

我们全家就不幸感冒了.

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Post by 豪情 » 2009-04-29 13:22

FLU 和COLD还是不一样的, 传染性非常强, 也比较危险. 即使死亡率只有6%, 要是人人都传上了, 总死亡人数还是很可怕的. 墨西哥城的公共场所都关掉了.

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Post by Jun » 2009-04-29 13:42

At the moment, we don't know why the US cases are so much milder than the cases in Mexico. It is possible that the circulating strains are slightly different.

There are other factors that suggest the flu would not be nearly as problematic in the US: 1) the weather is already turning warm, making the condition less favorable for mass transmission, 2) Mexico City is very dense with 20 million residents, including 5 million per day in the subway system, while in the US especially California the population density is vastly lower.

At this moment, I don't think the risk of dying of swine flu is any more than dying of, say, car accidents or falling off the roof or drowning.

CDC recommends people avoid crowds and wash hands with soap and water frequently. If you have flu-like symptoms, see a doctor or go to ER immediately. The swine flu can be cured with a couple of antiviral drugs if caught early (first 48 to 72 hours).

36000 people die of "usual" influenza every year in the US. Hopefully more people will get vaccinated this winter.
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Post by 幻儿 » 2009-04-29 14:15

我本来不紧张的,但是我同学刚带着孩子去看小儿科医生(其实她孩子也没怎么着),可能那个医生吓唬她来着,她回来就紧张得不得了,就把我也弄得焦虑起来 :f19:

这个病大约还是小孩子首当其冲,成人比较不容易传染,也容易痊愈。

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Post by tiffany » 2009-04-29 14:17

这到不是,据说也是主要青壮年倒下了。
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Post by Jun » 2009-04-29 14:28

That is another mystery of the different US--Mexico infection patterns. The cases in Mexico have been concentrated in adults 20 to 50 years, but the US cases are a lot of school children.

The severe cases and deaths in Mexican adult patients involve "cytokine storm". This is sort of like SARS. The flu virus provokes overreaction of the host immune system, which floods the lungs with fluid and causes potentially fatal pneumonia.

Children are at higher risk of transmission because schools can be a hotbed for transmission. Children have a lot of direct contact with each other than adults. In turn, parents are more likely to contract the infection from their school-age children. So it's probably a good idea to wash the kids' hands with soap and water or use hand sanitizer frequently.

Although viruses can be airborne, the more likely medium is through touch of contaminated surfaces.
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2009-04-29 14:46

我希望谁能振臂高呼,或者谁panic 一下,让大家都回家工作就好了。
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Post by 豪情 » 2009-04-29 14:50

回家也是要工作的, 我倒无所谓. 但是学校关门比公司关门机会大多了. 要是幼儿园关了我可怎么办. 还是不要PANIC的好.

弯曲已经有学校关门了. 一关一星期.
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Post by dropby » 2009-04-29 15:03

我还真见到不敢吃猪肉的,晕。

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Post by 豪情 » 2009-04-29 15:29

自从家里有小朋友上幼儿园, 我感冒的频率就和在中国的时候一样了. 刚到美国我足足有五年没得过一次感冒.
也许不光是幼儿园, 弯曲环境也比较接近墨西哥/中国.

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Post by Jun » 2009-04-29 16:09

不用客气。我是觉得,如果情形没有太大变化,在美国特别是加州应该不用太紧张啦。家里有小孩子的是麻烦一点。

现在还不知道去年的流感疫苗是否对抵抗猪流感病毒有效,也有可能是有效的。反正现在已经快夏天了,应该不会大规模爆发啦。
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Post by 森林的火焰 » 2009-04-29 16:12

这次的猪流感各方面都让人想起上世纪二十年代的全球大流感,所以大家很害怕。那一次死了上千万人哪,也是死者主要是青壮年。
我好象在哪里瞄了一眼说这次的猪流感与当时的流感同属H1N1类。
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Post by 幻儿 » 2009-04-29 17:29

这回我的心放回去了。原先虽然听政府说不用担心,市长还说这个跟其他流感没什么不同,但是我不信呀:如果真是这样,为什么墨西哥要关闭公共场所,为什么一直播关于这个的新闻 -- 平常可没见大家这么紧张普通流感不是?

现在听大家的解释,我才明白为什么一方面不用担心,一方面很多人担心。 8) 谢谢大家。

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Post by 森林的火焰 » 2009-04-29 19:31

所谓“普通”流感也是大事儿,因为没人知道哪一个流感株普通不普通。流感病例要备案的。
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Post by Jun » 2009-04-29 20:03

不过普通人又不养猪又不养鸡又不全世界探险的,等被我们这些城市老鼠传染上的时候早就是全世界都知道的细菌病毒了,不会那么巧正好当上新鲜 strain 的早期携带者的啦。即使真的得了病,立刻去医院急诊室,吃上几粒 Tamiflu 或者吸几剂 Relenza 就没事了。现在医生已经大概知道是怎么回事了,they know what to expect,即使是真的得了病,只要发现得早,救治得早,打点固醇类的药也可以很快把炎症压下去,最坏最坏的情况,即使有肺炎积水,也可以用胸腔针从肺里抽液出来,同时输氧进去也可。总之,警惕但不要 panic,有疑问立刻找专业人士咨询,应该是不要紧的。
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Post by 幻儿 » 2009-04-29 20:26

我的学校有一个学生被确诊为“Type A influenza, which has been linked to swine flu"(官方语)。 而猪流感病毒,官方叫做 swine influenza A (H1N1) viruses。我还是没弄明白这学生到底是不是得了猪流感 :oops: -- 看上去是没得?我们学校还给我们发邮件说没关系不要恐慌要多洗手啥啥的;可是关于这个患病学生他们偏偏语焉不详,学生中间已经开始乱传了呀......

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Post by tiffany » 2009-04-29 22:00

不知道是不是说这俩病毒同源同种......
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Post by tiffany » 2009-04-29 23:47

豪情 wrote:回家也是要工作的, 我倒无所谓. 但是学校关门比公司关门机会大多了. 要是幼儿园关了我可怎么办. 还是不要PANIC的好.
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Post by Jun » 2009-04-30 7:50

Even if a schoolmate (not classmate) has the swine flu, it doesn't mean everyone in the school has been infected.

It's flu, not an insidious asymptomatic silent disease. If one has high fever, body aches, cough, or nausea/vomiting --- if one has flu-like symptoms, go see a doctor and get treated. If one doesn't have any symptoms, one does not have flu (swine or otherwise).
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Post by Rainbow » 2009-04-30 8:02

Tamiflu 真的是梦幻万灵药么? 我看基本一诊断inflenza医生就开这个,再没别的了. 怪不得非典的时候他们趁火打劫说Tamiflu可以治非典 :shock:

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Post by Jun » 2009-04-30 8:09

Tamiflu is effective on some strains of influenza but not others. It does work on this H1N1 strain that causes swine flu (and so does Relenza, but not amantadine).

Most people infected with influenza can get well on their own -- with adequate supportive care in a hospital. The 1910s flu epidemic killed a lot of people, partly because the hygiene and medical care were much worse then than they are now. Yes, more people will die, but then more people will die from other causes too.
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Post by Knowing » 2009-04-30 8:17

我就怀疑墨西哥flu死人是因为医疗卫生条件没美国这边好,并不是病毒更凶猛。
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Post by Jun » 2009-04-30 8:34

Knowing wrote:我就怀疑墨西哥flu死人是因为医疗卫生条件没美国这边好,并不是病毒更凶猛。
That might be one element, but another more important reason is that the flu originated there. When it first started, nobody knew it was a new strain of flu. Hospitals and doctors assumed this was just your average old flu and did not pay much attention. A lot of patients didn't know how severe it can be and delayed seeking medical care. There was no public health alerts for several weeks, when the virus ran wild in high-density places (schools, subway, restaurants). Until someone finally got suspicious and analyzed the virus.

Now we know. Now people are on the look-out. Not being No.1 is a good thing. If you treat quickly, quarantine quickly, alert the public quickly, transmission can be quelched effectively.
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Post by tiffany » 2009-04-30 9:20

说到这个,你们听新闻了没,昨天以色列一个极宗教的卫生部长(?)为了避免冒犯到极宗教的犹太人,建议把猪流感叫做墨西哥流感,遭到了墨西哥外交官的强烈抗议,然后以色列什么人赶紧跳出来说:他讲笑的。

然后今天墨西哥卫生部门(?)为了摘清楚跟猪流感的关系,说猪流感是中国游客带进来的,跟我们养猪那片儿地方没关系......
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Post by 洛洛 » 2009-04-30 9:20

森林的火焰 wrote:这次的猪流感各方面都让人想起上世纪二十年代的全球大流感,所以大家很害怕。那一次死了上千万人哪,也是死者主要是青壮年。
我好象在哪里瞄了一眼说这次的猪流感与当时的流感同属H1N1类。
我记得禽流感那次好像把以前的尸体挖出来查病毒.
"一些科学家正在试图挖开更多的死于1918年流感的人的坟墓。伦敦的玛丽王后医学院教授奥克斯福德(JohnOxford)就是其中之一。去年,他打算从伯恩(PhyllisBurn,一位住在伦敦南部的20岁的女性)的尸体中采集肺部样本。伯恩当年因“西班牙流感”而去世,她被安葬在一个灌满了酒精的密封铅制棺材中。牛津相信,在伯恩的体内保存有完好的“西班牙流感”病毒。"
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Post by saveas » 2009-04-30 9:33

tiffany wrote:说到这个,你们听新闻了没,昨天以色列一个极宗教的卫生部长(?)为了避免冒犯到极宗教的犹太人,建议把猪流感叫做墨西哥流感,遭到了墨西哥外交官的强烈抗议,然后以色列什么人赶紧跳出来说:他讲笑的。

然后今天墨西哥卫生部门(?)为了摘清楚跟猪流感的关系,说猪流感是中国游客带进来的,跟我们养猪那片儿地方没关系......
墨西哥人太那啥了,这话说的,我国顿时跳出来辟谣说我们这边啥病例都没发现,更没发现变种病毒,而且我国去墨西哥的游客可真不多。另外最那啥的是本周还要有一支墨西哥旅行团到中国玩儿呢……本地报纸安慰大家说,他们先去的是西安然后才来南京玩儿,到南京的时候潜伏期都过了,让大家莫要惊慌。

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Post by Knowing » 2009-04-30 9:35

我不明白为什么猪流感会冒犯到极宗教的犹太人。他们认为猪肮脏,但是猪流感是坏东西,更有理由说猪是肮脏的动物了。
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Post by tiffany » 2009-04-30 9:46

saveas wrote:墨西哥人太那啥了,这话说的,我国顿时跳出来辟谣说我们这边啥病例都没发现,更没发现变种病毒,而且我国去墨西哥的游客可真不多。另外最那啥的是本周还要有一支墨西哥旅行团到中国玩儿呢……本地报纸安慰大家说,他们先去的是西安然后才来南京玩儿,到南京的时候潜伏期都过了,让大家莫要惊慌。
我倒,那西安的人民群众咋办捏?

我也不知道极端宗教犹太人啥意思,反正他们也不吃猪肉什么什么的(习惯跟穆斯林那么象,偏又跟穆斯林打的最凶),说不定人家心灵弱小,听不得猪这个字眼儿?
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Post by 幻儿 » 2009-04-30 9:56

刚才我听收音机正在讲这个事儿,有个人打电话说:我昨天去墨西哥餐馆了,还吃了猪肉,我是不是命悬一线了?(我心想,真可怜啊)
作为嘉宾的专家说:不不不,这个现在不是猪流感,是人流感 (human flu);其实这个病毒跟猪的关系我们还没理清呢。现在这病毒是靠人传染的,跟猪没什么关系。

以色列卫生部长说他的提议既是为了犹太人也为了穆斯林(什么时候以色列可以代言穆斯林了?),敢情这俩宗教的人民听见“猪”这个字都不行,甭管好事坏事。我琢磨着“猪”是不是好像我们文化里的性器官用字,总之是不洁,所以不能公开讲。
那个在墨西哥的养猪场,它的所有者是美国公司呀,其实也可以叫做“美国流感“呢。以色列就是捡软柿子捏。

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Post by Jun » 2009-04-30 10:09

The reality is that most strains of human influenza virus circulating around the world every year are strains shared between humans and pigs. The flu vaccines we get every fall are made on the basis of the most prevalent strains extracted from places and communities where pig and humans live closely in that particular year.

Pigs and humans have been sharing flu viruses for thousands of years. This new H1N1 virus is just a brand new strain that recently jumped from pigs to humans. There are plenty of old strains that go freely between pigs and humans la.
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Post by Knowing » 2009-04-30 10:11

没准再查下去,猪场大股东是是某农业公司,某农业公司的大股东是某投资公司,某投资公司的大股东是犹太人,就好叫犹太流感了 -- 我就不信追查下去没有一分犹太人的钱!
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Post by Jun » 2009-04-30 10:14

Actually, the flu virus going around the world every winter most often come from Asia, especially China and SE Asia because of the large and high-density populations of pigs and humans, and the close proximity of both species. These strains, although not "novel" or "glamorous," like this one, kill hundreds of thousands of people every year around the world.
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Post by 海阔天空 » 2009-04-30 11:08

哈哈,我喜欢knowing的这个资本分析论。
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Post by 森林的火焰 » 2009-04-30 11:42

上一次大流感的病毒已经被恢复了呀,是从加拿大还不阿拉斯加的永久冻土带的死者中分离到的。
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Post by simonsun » 2009-04-30 22:17

tiffany wrote:我深刻的觉得这个压力呀焦虑呀,是新时代的自然选择的力量---之前不是要耐活的才能活下来吗?现在得耐压力耐焦虑的..... 到了这把年纪,压力焦虑应该是人生常态了,我很那个啥那个啥的说 :mrgreen:

喜剧表演的出现就是为了缓解这个压力的吧?今天在网上看见这个joe wong在late show with David Letterman上的debut,这家伙真逗,笑死我了!这人是国内来的,口音超重的幽默天才啊!
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Post by 豪情 » 2009-04-30 23:46

乌鸦嘴啊. 弯曲关了好几个学校, 一关关一周到十天.
Officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have warned people to stay home if either they or their children are sick.

"That's good advice but, unfortunately, nearly half of private-sector workers in the United States don't have a single paid sick day," Debra L. Ness, president of the National Partnership for Women & Families, said in a statement. "The same is true for nearly four in five low-wage workers. And nearly 100 million workers don't have a paid sick day they can use to care for a sick child. For them, staying home means losing pay and, perhaps, losing their job. In this economy, that's a terrible choice to have to make."
我也感冒发烧了, 同事劝我去看医生. 诊所前台一个大牌子, "如果你有感冒症状, 请向前台索取一个口罩. " 医生很不屑的说, 这流感和平时也没啥大不同, 甚至还轻一点. 新闻媒体大惊小怪. 专业人士都这么说, 很令人安慰.

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Post by staryngt » 2009-05-01 10:44

家里经常有人生病也让人很有压力。尤其当跟老板说,家里小孩子生病要在家工作时,老板说“啊又生病了”时。总是鼓励自己,娃娃们再长大一点儿就好了。可这个过程有时觉得真漫长呀。

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Post by saveas » 2009-05-01 22:14

tiffany wrote:
saveas wrote:墨西哥人太那啥了,这话说的,我国顿时跳出来辟谣说我们这边啥病例都没发现,更没发现变种病毒,而且我国去墨西哥的游客可真不多。另外最那啥的是本周还要有一支墨西哥旅行团到中国玩儿呢……本地报纸安慰大家说,他们先去的是西安然后才来南京玩儿,到南京的时候潜伏期都过了,让大家莫要惊慌。
我倒,那西安的人民群众咋办捏?

我也不知道极端宗教犹太人啥意思,反正他们也不吃猪肉什么什么的(习惯跟穆斯林那么象,偏又跟穆斯林打的最凶),说不定人家心灵弱小,听不得猪这个字眼儿?
现在好了……一个墨西哥人经上海转机到了香港发现发病,一网打尽两个城市……墨西哥到上海还有上海到香港的两个航班里面还有十几个人没找到呢。人口密度那么高,有传染病不好弄挖。

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Post by Maybe105 » 2009-05-02 4:47

昨晚8点多的新闻,老墨在香港住的据说是大陆人开的旅馆,大陆客人很多.关键是上海还世博会的干活呢,又赶上51小长假,人员流动很大.今天北京这边隔离了17个和老墨同机的.

今天一大早打发某人买消毒液去了,据反映超市里人还行,消毒用品很多.
Maybe

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Post by 豪情 » 2009-05-02 21:25

现在我们这里关了若干学校, 而且根据公共卫生部门新规定, 一个学校有一个疑似就要关门, 超过两个学校整个学区关门, 一关关两周. 公立私立都一样. 简直发神经. 把孩子放在一起轮流带? 送到AFTERSCHOOL? 中学生去逛MALL. 那和学校不关门有什么不同?

本来县里穷的要破产, 要砍公共卫生部的预算, 这下不砍了.

对了中国要对美国到达旅客测体温了. :lol:

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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2009-05-03 6:24

白老二是个实在人,我忙坏了,才看到这个。忙得没空理会我老人家的压力和焦虑,我没空说可不说明我没有,只是每天该干啥还干啥,农民的本质。
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