Obama objects to severance for ousted CEOs

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Obama objects to severance for ousted CEOs

Post by Knowing » 2008-09-09 8:37

我精神振奋的说,律师出身就是不一样,说点什么都有理有据的。

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provid ... id=9117534
Under no circumstances should the executives of these institutions earn a windfall at a time when the U.S. Treasury has taken unprecedented steps to rescue these companies with taxpayer resources," Obama said in a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Housing Finance Agency Director James Lockhart. "I urge you immediately to clarify that the agreement with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac voids any such inappropriate windfall payments to outgoing CEOs and senior management."

Obama was reacting to a report Monday in The New York Times on a consulting firm's analysis that found departing Fannie Mae head Daniel Mudd stands to collect $9.3 million in severance pay, retirement benefits and deferred compensation under the terms of his employment contract, provided his dismissal is deemed to be "without cause."

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Obama said Congress explicitly gave the Treasury Department authority to block any severance packages as part of a takeover.
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"It would be a gross violation of the public trust to fail to use this authority now, while American taxpayers and American homeowners, already struggling in a weak economy, are being asked to accept an historic intervention to rescue these institutions," he said.
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Post by 豪情 » 2008-09-09 11:01

这个是政治姿态啦.
发现收归国有也有好处, 一来新管理层工资低些, 二来这下省了游说的钱了, 比severance packages多.

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Post by 洛洛 » 2008-09-09 11:15

收归国有算是社会主义化吗?
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2008-09-09 11:45

这些 CEO 和高层管理像蛀虫一样。帅哥的确讲话很吸引人。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-09 12:39

当然是政治姿态,但是很多政治家为了摆姿态,一开口就说外行话,招人笑话。帅哥姿态摆的好看,说话头脑清楚,我看着爽!比如这个CEO 挣钱的事情,很多政治家就喜欢说:怎么公司赔钱普通人丢工作CEO 还拿那么多钱,不公平。这种话说着都是GP。第一:CEO 签着合同,COMP 都是有保证部分的。第二,公司属于股东,BOARD 有授权跟CEO 签合同,公平不公平干你P事。美国不是资本主义的法制国家嘛?现在帅哥一开口就直奔问题的中心:第一:财政部有权力不按合同给钱。合同里离职是"无过错"才能得到。现在这个算不上无过错。第二:国有了政府就是最大的股东,财政部得到国会明确授权,接管时有权利封锁离职补偿费。
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Post by 豪情 » 2008-09-09 12:48

现在这个算是无过错.
PAULSON和他们开会, 问他们愿意自愿被财政部接管呢还是被强行接管. 自愿接管就算无过错, 强行接管呢财政部就拿查出的账来根据国会授权的程序接管并追究他们的责任, 但是市场在这个过程中会大动荡. 最后双方妥协选择自愿接管.

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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-09 12:54

达成协议时是算自愿的啊,所以才要给他们离职金,不然直接就不给了。帅哥不就是拿出律师的本色要从中找毛病推翻这个"无过错"么。很容易的,随便查查帐捏点什么决策错误出来就行了,反正这
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2008-09-09 13:04

怎么回事儿?给咱们讲讲?
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Post by tiffany » 2008-09-09 13:25

wa mu那广告做的,不被人往死里整才奇怪呢,我很小人得志的说。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-09 13:27

LEHMAN现在就象学校里经常被欺负的倒霉蛋儿,一有风吹草动就被拎出来打一顿。今天最新的坏消息是,他们不是一直想从韩国银行弄些钱么?据说谈崩了。市场又觉得他们就要破产了。

WM 刚把头儿给开了,市场觉得他们要趁新头上台写掉一大笔坏帐,就不管三七二十一先把这个损失在股价里预测上了。而且监管机构要查WAMU的帐。

市场真可怕啊。现在这种恐慌情绪下,完全是三人市虎。大家觉得你要破产->你就借不到钱->你就破产->大家就很爽的说,看把,我就知道这公司不行了。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2008-09-09 13:39

其实挺惨的一件事儿,也不是对我的生活没影响。但你说的太逗,实在忍不住想乐。但为什么他一借不到钱就会破产呢?他为什么需要借钱?我很没有水准地问。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-09 13:51

任何金融机构都需要借钱啊。很多钱都是短期借款,所谓的商业纸,付的利息低。如果街上开始拒收你的商业纸,非要现款交易,就等于说觉得你要破产。你要没很多现款来付该付的帐,就破产了贝。

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_paper
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Post by camellia » 2008-09-09 14:21

自由市场,眼看着Lehman 又要成第二个熊。这回能谁来接着?

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Post by nanping » 2008-09-09 15:22

WAMU的风格真是很aggressive,据说因地迈克倒闭的时候,有职员沿着挤提的队伍挨个派发WAMU的小册子,大张旗鼓地抢人抢钱。

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Post by simonsun » 2008-09-09 15:41

我很小白地问:银行破产了,问银行贷的款,信用卡的债,咋办呢?
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Post by 豪情 » 2008-09-09 15:48

LEHMAN倒了可以不救吧. 否则那么多金融机构哪里救得过来, 把美元和美国的信用完全赔上也不行.

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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-09 15:49

simonsun wrote:我很小白地问:银行破产了,问银行贷的款,信用卡的债,咋办呢?
你以为就可以不还了?哈哈哈。
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Post by simonsun » 2008-09-09 16:12

原来还是要还……哼唧 :mad2:
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-09-09 16:28

哈哈哈
笑得群众心惊胆战。如果银行倒了又没人接手,那还要还嘛?
如果是爱,就怎么也不可怕。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-09 17:26

不会没人接手的。任何公司破产清算,债主们都要按优先等级排排坐吃果果,把这个公司名下的财产折价拍卖分掉。你欠银行的钱也是银行的财产,就转手到不知道谁手下了,人家还是来接着要债。
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Post by 豪情 » 2008-09-14 13:48

倒霉蛋好象有点不经打...

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Post by karen » 2008-09-14 19:12

看来是要破产了啊。 为啥没人愿意买Lehman,是Lehman不肯贱卖还是他们的债太多?
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-14 20:58

我觉的是没人买。
本来bank of america 是可能的买主之一,美林抢先扑进它怀里把自己先贱卖了。。。
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Post by 狸狸 » 2008-09-15 3:53

真的说破就破了?多挣扎挣扎都不肯的?
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Post by tiffany » 2008-09-15 8:30

本来不是说跟南韩谈来着?没谈拢?
我恍惚听了一耳朵共产中国打算往里扔钱来着,貌似没有扔成啊。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-15 8:38

还怎么多挣扎啊,都挣扎了好几个月了。熊四叹一倒大家就盯上了LEHMAN,已经传了好几次破产的谣言,就是要把他们往死里逼。不过据说他们的确也已经是insolvent 了。用专家的话来说,就是lehman is insolvent but liquid, AIG is solvent but illiquid.
现在整个市场象是个大witchhunt, 人人自危。FED对lehman 下了这样的毒手,吓的各个公司都花容失色到处找财大气粗的糖爹。本来还有些外国糖爹当冤大头,现在外国糖爹们看这势头不对也害怕的捂紧了腰包。幸好我国政府没上这个当。
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Post by tiffany » 2008-09-15 8:45

what means solvent? and what means liquid?
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-15 9:00

insolvent: 资不抵债
illiquid:一时手头缺现金
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Post by 洛洛 » 2008-09-15 9:20

今天连nasdaq也一开盘就跌,我怀疑事情比我们想象的更严重...
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-15 9:21

你的想象里事情不严重么?? :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:
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Post by 洛洛 » 2008-09-15 9:27

因为很多人认为目前还是金融方面的崩溃,cs,ee这些还是好的。看样子不是了。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-15 9:31

没有金融业崩溃而整个经济不崩溃的时候。金融业一恐慌,全面紧缩,不放贷款,马上整个经济都跟着紧缩。金融业好比人体的血液循环系统。
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Post by wuliaotou » 2008-09-15 10:11

我看新闻说,本来有HSBC啊,巴克莱啊,韩国银行啊,中投啊想买雷曼,但是fed 实在没钱,不再提供担保,所以把所有的人都吓走了。不过也是,想想如果外国主权基金投老大一笔钱,但是只能占10%一下股份还在董事会没什么发言权,若干年前还行,现在人人思危,傻子才会往无底洞扔钱。

对了, knowing 给说说那个有说国际财团会注资70B,那个是注到哪里?如何稳定国际金融市场?

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2008-09-15 10:19

158 年的公司,说破就破了。
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Post by Jun » 2008-09-15 10:21

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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-15 10:22

The return to pure capitalism.
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-15 10:27

wuliaotou wrote:我看新闻说,本来有HSBC啊,巴克莱啊,韩国银行啊,中投啊想买雷曼,但是fed 实在没钱,不再提供担保,所以把所有的人都吓走了。
对了, knowing 给说说那个有说国际财团会注资70B,那个是注到哪里?如何稳定国际金融市场?
I have no idea about the 70B.


FED 不是没钱是不愿意出钱。
跟FREDDIE FANNIE不一样,FED 根本不在乎BEAR ,LEHMAN 的死活。当时救BEAR 是因为事情发生的太突然,很多公司都在里面有大量合同,如果BEAR 一破产很多公司会连带破产,整个华尔街都可能崩溃。LEHMAN 这事情发生的比较慢,FED 已经把各大公司里放了人查了帐,觉得LEHMAN 倒闭其他公司只会损失不会连串倒闭,所以不愿意出钱。
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Post by ravaged » 2008-09-15 10:28

this is as serious as it gets... europe is panicking. i can only imagine what it's like in new york

i don't think anyone knows how the $70bn fund will work in practice except that each of the ten banks that agree to fund it can draw on one third of of the capital. people are hoping that this could help price the assets that no one wants to buy now but who knows whether it'll work.
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-15 10:47

No kidding. Europe shed 5% so far.
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Post by wuliaotou » 2008-09-15 11:13

那么fed到底还有没有钱呢?我老觉得美国这么下去这个债券评级会跌...

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Post by 豪情 » 2008-09-15 11:19

FED要多少就有多少吧? 但是这钱就不值钱了.

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Post by tiffany » 2008-09-15 11:49

笑嘻嘻 wrote:158 年的公司,说破就破了。
旧的不去,新的不来,我事不关己的评论说。
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Post by stareye » 2008-09-15 12:24

我今天早上听NPR news的第一个反应就是: 小K什么时候写一篇<论雷曼它的倒掉>?
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Post by 豪情 » 2008-09-15 12:24

我好奇地问是不是LEHMAN倒了对别的投行其实是好事?

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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-15 12:46

不是。
害怕的坐在电脑前等天塌下来....
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Post by 豪情 » 2008-09-15 12:51

不是说街上的昨天都在加班都准备就绪了么.

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Post by 洛洛 » 2008-09-15 12:52

大家都是一条线上的蚂蚱,谁也没有不碰房贷的吧。我觉得有钱放在银行的,有钱在退休账户的都受到影响。唯一不受影响的,大概是念书中的学生,还不等着毕业的那种。
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Post by wuliaotou » 2008-09-15 13:48

我看到说雷曼起码75%员工失去工作,而且以前没工作,去隔街公司就能上班,现在就很难了。

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Post by 海阔天空 » 2008-09-15 14:05

我所有的金融新闻都是打这儿从knowing手里贩卖来的。。。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-15 14:11

最近我严厉的对待自己,高标准严要求,力争改掉无聊嗜好,把出于八卦心理订阅的SB博客们都给退掉了,所以改看政治和财经新闻打发时间。幸好最近市场还挺刺激的。
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