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Post by DeBeers » 2004-01-12 16:37

据说不是,我前几天看网上的文章,说是现在卖的新鲜的3文鱼都是养殖的,而野生的,大概都是装在罐头里的,等我找找。然后有采访鱼市场的经理,人家说,过一阵就好啦,美国人的记忆时间是很短的
http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-h ... 0325.story
First it was hamburgers, now it's salmon. What food catastrophe looms next?

A case of bovine spongiform encephalopathy, the first in this country's beef supply, made hamburger fans fearful almost three weeks ago. Then, just as fish was beginning to seem like a healthful alternative, a $1.8-million study published Thursday in the journal Science found that farm-raised salmon contained about 10 times more of such agents as PCBs, dioxins and the banned insecticide toxaphene than salmon caught in the wild.
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If anybody claims to be selling you fresh wild salmon right now, "they're lying," said Tony Maltese, fish buyer for the three Fairway markets, including two in Manhattan. "It is not available." The season is from the end of March or the beginning of April until November, said Maltese, who lives in Port Jefferson and is also a commercial fisherman.
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Joe Lasprogata, director of purchasing at Samuels & Sons Seafood in Philadelphia, a wholesaler that sells to supermarkets and restaurants from New York to Washington, predicted no long-term fallout from the salmon study. "Our sales will drop 30 to 40 percent over the next few weeks, then people will forget about it," he said. "The American public has a very short memory."
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Post by 猫咪头 » 2004-01-12 16:54

Looks like DeBeers evaded morning sickness so far. :)

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Post by karen » 2004-01-12 16:54

笑大要求的太高了。Toro这种东西也是季节性的,大部分时候买到的都是冻的。 我看过个节目讲Morimoto开店去选鱼,他就是一口气买了价值五万刀的一批toro,然后放到巨大的冷冻箱里慢慢用。记得他说toro这东西讲究季节,什么什么时候的才好。

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Post by 豪情 » 2004-01-12 16:57

难道超市不是野生的也标成野生的么? 我们这里一般都标明种类(很多品种, 小美喜欢的SOCKEYE算比较高级的)产地和野生蓄养, 野的贵一倍左右. :evil:
不过我不爱吃鱼生, 偶尔烤烤SALMON, 不太讲究,大概你是对的.

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Post by dropby » 2004-01-12 17:10

如果是sockeye, 你就放心吃好了, 这种三文鱼没法养的, 都是野生的, 所以才那么贵. :evil:

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Post by Knowing » 2004-01-12 17:12

dropby wrote:如果是sockeye, 你就放心吃好了, 这种三文鱼没法养的, 都是野生的, 所以才那么贵. :evil:
Why not?

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Post by 豪情 » 2004-01-12 17:13

其它都能养么? 大西洋和太平洋的品种和季节也不一样吧. 我记得二三月份收到过人家出海钓的野SALMON.
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2004-01-12 17:15

俺这不是跟纽约比呢嘛。通常情况下我会歌颂德州的。 :lol:

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Post by Knowing » 2004-01-12 17:16

我三天两头要怀念德州的。尤其是冬天。
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Post by karen » 2004-01-12 17:20

我再歌颂一下.港超市有特别甜的德州桔子,在家时每天挤三杯喝的。 来家做客的喝了都惊艳问哪里来的,我说你去店里买好了,一箱六十个桔子才$9。99, 两个桔子一杯水的,抛掉平均一箱两个坏的,足够喝一个礼拜。
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Post by 豪情 » 2004-01-12 17:23

我很感兴趣, 再讲一点, 比如荔枝木瓜枇杷. 我知道你们有番石榴(GUAVA) 羡慕死了.

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2004-01-12 17:24

桔子的鲜榨汁,我是什么样的橙子、桔子都喜欢,都觉得鲜。番石榴很贵的呀,很少有卖的。木瓜?你们那里木瓜很稀罕吗? :roll: 我们这里铺天盖地的。荔枝倒是今年很多,不过这些不是全美都一样的吗?枇杷,我只在一个把沸店里吃到过,然后同事说本地可以种,但是不知道英文是什么。对了,我们这里种小柿子特别容易,真好吃。冬天的时候,可以看到街边上有人家种了,树上叶子落光了,剩下一树漂亮的小柿子,据说鸟就去吃了。 :lol:

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Post by karen » 2004-01-12 17:33

我试验过都种桔子,还是榨汁觉得香港超市的德州甜桔最好了,不过也许是我嘴巴甜。再奢侈些,就对着香槟喝:-D ,被我哥狠狠得骂了小资。:-D
我家的guava树今年不好,就小不点几粒果子,结果又被松鼠摘取吃了,回家见到它们,贼胖贼胖的。
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Post by 豪情 » 2004-01-12 17:39

木瓜有卖, 不是本地的就不够新鲜. 我对桔子橙子柿子没有特别兴趣. 笑嘻嘻你有新鲜枇杷荔枝吃又不珍惜, 嫉妒啊嫉妒.
自己种可麻烦了, 被动物吃掉糟蹋的多.

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Post by 豪情 » 2004-01-12 17:41

木瓜有卖, 不是本地的就不够新鲜. 我对桔子橙子柿子没有特别兴趣. 笑嘻嘻你有新鲜枇杷荔枝吃又不珍惜, 嫉妒啊嫉妒.
自己种可麻烦了, 被动物吃掉糟蹋的多. 当然我收到邻居送的ITALIAN PRUNE的时候一点意见也没有, 我自己就算了.

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2004-01-12 17:43

新鲜枇杷很罕见。因为吃的人少吧。荔枝可没有新鲜的,所以我说全美一样。你那边说不定还好些。

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Post by 豪情 » 2004-01-12 17:49

我听说佛州有种. :roll:
现在这里是水果淡季, 超市里的水果都外地运来, 没精打采的. 大概只有苹果是本地产的, 在我看来苹果简直不能算水果.

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Post by 狸狸 » 2004-01-12 22:22

这个桔子看得我口水哗哗
不知为什么,总是找不到小时候吃的薄皮酸甜桔子,都是各种各样柑与橙,有的皮糙肉厚,有的水分不足,有的带苦味,有的死甜死甜。 :evil:
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Post by CAVA » 2004-01-13 2:48

karen wrote:还是榨汁觉得香港超市的德州甜桔最好了,不过也许是我嘴巴甜。再奢侈些,就对着香槟喝:-D ,被我哥狠狠得骂了小资。:-D
这个不能怪你,鲜榨果汁兑气泡酒就是好喝,而它潜在的危险是太容易入口了。上周末边看电视边喝了整整一瓶CAVA,兑上鲜橙和桃汁。葡萄酒类本来只能喝半瓶的,结果第二天那个难受呀。 :-(

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Post by karen » 2004-01-13 9:51

是吗,粉多人说和香槟才容易头疼,说啥气多一下子冲向脑袋去。 :-P 我的感觉是做得好的葡萄酒喝了不头疼,葡萄酿的(比如说cognac啦grappa啦)一般也没事。 但是像Scotch这种用谷物酿的酒,哗,那喝了晚上得头疼死了,第二天早上定有hangover. :roll:
过节的时候买了几瓶Bouzy地区产的香槟,就是说那名字就想笑,Booze, Boozy, Booooozy. :-D :-D

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Post by CAVA » 2004-01-13 10:06

这个名字起得妙啊。 :lol:
各人的情况不一样,我头倒不疼,94恶心得厉害,对葡萄酒的忍耐力尤其差。从前有老板是芬兰人,经常宣传VODKA的好处,说纯度高呀,喝了一准不头疼。我暗道:头是不疼哩,照你们那样灌法普通人老早酒精中毒啦。:-)

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Post by Knowing » 2004-01-13 10:24

个人的容忍程度大概不一样。
大醉的次数很少,上一次是一两年前,上好的vodka, 一小杯下去就不成了。都说vodka 纯度高的不头疼,第二天还是疼的要命。自那以后我再也没喝过shots
葡萄酒喝到微曛是很愉快的,睡醒了一点后果都没有。只是如果连着几天都在晚餐时喝酒胃就会不舒服。
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Post by karen » 2004-01-13 10:33

cava这种反应真是怪,要说香槟和红葡萄酒酒精含量差不多啊,大部分香槟里也有红葡萄成分的。那你喝白葡萄酒也恶心吗? 红的一般是喝哪种葡萄做的? 我觉得很可能你是对某种葡萄过敏吧。
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Post by CAVA » 2004-01-13 10:40

但凡葡萄酿的我容忍量都不大,甭管哪种葡萄。谷物做的酒好些。人人体质不同,饮食习惯也相异,说不清啊说道不明。:? 当然葡萄谷物混合起来更险。

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Post by ravaged » 2004-01-13 10:59

wow this post is making me huuuungry! sadly there's only boxed lunch to look forward to.

i think i read somewhere that hangover is related to the concentration of impurities in the drink, so theoretically vodka should be better in this regard. no? i don't drink to the brink anymore these days so i can't really say, but too much beer always makes me kinda queasy the next day.
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Post by karen » 2004-01-13 10:59

能喝整整一瓶cava怎么还说能量不大。 :-P 不过知道自己喝啥好喝啥受不了是粉好的,这样量力而行不容易出事啊。

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Post by CAVA » 2004-01-13 11:06

84一不留神超量了麽,标准地自作孽不可活。:oops: 话说回来,圣诞节别人给的一瓶澳大利亚产SHIRAZ红色香槟好喝得紧。

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Post by karen » 2004-01-13 11:14

What I have heard about Vodka is that most vodka are made with a lot of additives and some are filtered only once, as compare to twice filtered of better ones. I don't have a clue why that matters, but supposedly those are the reasons why people have hangovers.
I personally have tried one vodka, Hangar One, that is just insanely delicious (Yeah, you can actually drink it neat) and surprisingly didin't give me a headache later, felt chirpy as a bird the second day too. :-D I asked around and the company vouched that they used the best wheat, distilled it, filtered it twice(to purify and to get more flavor), and bottled the sucker just like that. It is as pure as vodka can get. I don't know how truthful it is(I have heard they used a little bit of grapes) but honestly it is simply gorgeous, so gorgeous that the only way to appreciate it is to drink it straight, then wait for your face to break into a smile. :-D
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Post by ravaged » 2004-01-13 11:26

*taking notes now* thanks! is this easily available?
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Post by karen » 2004-01-13 11:36

It is a bit of a specialty item, so it ain't gonna be wildly available. The stuff is made in San Francisco, I got mine in Chicago, so I gather Boston will have it too. A bottle costs around $30, just a little bit over what you would pay for Gray Goose, but the difference is night and day. For those who are disappointed with Vodka, try this before you give it up. :-P

Here is the website that sells the stuff:
http://www.caddellwilliams.com/html/han ... a_main.php
I have tried the straight vodka and the one with Kaffir Lime. Both are delicious, the latter has more of a kick though.

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Post by ravaged » 2004-01-13 12:13

thanks! ah the finer things in life... 8)
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Post by dropby » 2004-01-13 13:53

我和CAVA正相反, 唯一喜欢喝的就是葡萄酒. 啤酒也能喝, 但是并不喜欢. 高度酒都是掺了东西当饮料喝的, SHOTS虽然能喝, 但是不喜欢.
说得我心痒痒啊, 恨不得马上开瓶酒来喝. 不过我发现我还是比较节制, 从来没有真正喝醉过.

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Post by DeBeers » 2004-01-13 14:26

我也馋了。刚买了个blender,现在做smoothie和milk shake喝,等将来解禁了,我要做magrita来喝
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Post by 洛洛 » 2004-01-13 14:45

我是一向只吃烟三文鱼的,那不是更不知道生产日期了?
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Post by DeBeers » 2004-01-13 15:07

smoke salmon倒是有可能是野生的,你注意看看包装上的标签
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Post by 豪情 » 2004-01-14 15:24

这个牛的事情实在吵得我烦死了. 昨天听NPR又听了一耳朵要给每头牛植入一SMART CHIP或者记录虹膜照片, 911后那个NATIONAL ID SYSTEM 也吵了很久, 最近开始对入境旅客开始按指纹照相. 这样下去我们去买点有关股票吧, 造芯片做数据处理的公司肯定能从政客那里捞好处.

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Post by CAVA » 2004-01-14 15:31

每头牛都植入芯片,这手术是什么成本?费用让养牛的人出太说不过去了吧? :roll:

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Post by Knowing » 2004-01-14 15:36

911 之后larry Ellison 迫不及待的跳出来说建全国安全数据库刻不容缓,为了表忠心我们oracle 爱国赠送全套数据库软件分文不取。我心说你TMD 真会推销,谁不知道软件便宜服务贵,这个系统要用了oracle , 你们得紧急雇人多训练成百上千的consultant, 然后每钟头三百块都落到咱们交的税里。
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Post by DeBeers » 2004-01-14 15:37

他们还动不动就升级,闹得人机飞狗跳
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Post by 豪情 » 2004-01-14 15:45

他们又不傻, 联邦政府只要说一声升级, 地方政府就要出力出钱, 疲于奔命. 联邦减税功劳都是小布的, 地方加税过错都是民主党领导的
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2004-01-14 15:47

嗯,赶快动脑筋发国难财简直是刻不容缓。

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Post by 豪情 » 2004-01-14 15:50

谁做疯牛快速测试的也能捞一把. 想想那是多少头牛啊 8) 每验一头专利费就自动进帐.
现在不是要建立飞行安全分级系统么. 哇, 一大笔钱.
那个芯片是装在耳上的, 和我老人家打个耳洞戴个耳环一样, 倒挺方便的,就是芯片成本而已. 花钱的是这些数据要建立维护一个全国的录入查询系统.

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2004-01-14 15:59

我星期一听广播说谁又提出坐飞机调查要分红绿黄三档。机场先检查旅客的家庭住址什么什么什么,(这中间又有机场如何该保护客户的个人信息不让政府去走blahblahblah)绿的进行现行的常规安检,红的不让坐飞机,黄的要怎样怎样。

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Post by 豪情 » 2004-01-14 16:02

CHENEY昨天又来开募捐午餐演说, 我很纳闷他怎么还有脸出来晃, 谁不知道他的公司发国难财狠狠敲了国防部一笔被揭发了. 他还竞选副总统么?
上次小布来募捐, 小小的市政府出动警察维持秩序, 过后送了一张老大的加班费帐单给他 8)
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Post by CAVA » 2004-01-14 16:03

时事政治我小人家不大懂的,光就牛那事儿说,为几率很小的危险搞那么大阵仗有必要吗?飞个行弄那么复杂,更加没人愿意搭飞机了,航空公司咋个办?国家难道给补贴?

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Post by Knowing » 2004-01-14 16:05

美国人怕死,这个恐慌大大打击了牛肉业,同时波及快餐业。牛肉业出口是大问题。快餐业就更不用说了。money money money...
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2004-01-14 16:08

脸皮那么薄怎么能从政?
疯牛病这个事儿呢,现在农业很受打击,包括出口。美国的农业本来就需要政府扶持的。这么一搞大家心里一安生就可以吃了,而且能多创造出多少就业机会啊。
啊,小k已经说了。 :lol:

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Post by CAVA » 2004-01-14 16:16

明白咧,小钱生大钱啊,快餐业在美国可是大买卖。

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Post by tiffany » 2004-01-14 16:36

说起来,昨天老板的生日party, 在实验室里开的。我老人家携带一粒芝士蛋糕参加,蛋糕顶上堆了一堆水果,有如皇冠。同实验室游人带来的瑞典奶酪真好吃啊。
唉,我肯定是饿了,一说起吃得来,这么的刹不住。总而言,party告一段落时我跑去做试验了,只听见留下的人们高谈阔论时事政治,民主党的候选人如何如何,不是如何如何。感觉848象我们大学男生们的。
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Post by 山茶 » 2004-01-14 17:53

麦当劳那样高温炸过的肉饼还能传染疯牛病吗?我记得看过一眼说中国人吃well done的习惯比较好。刚才拉边条bar,结果不小心按了惊叹号的钮,把这个题目给汇报管理员了 :speechless002:

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